Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral? Options

[Spirited Away]

Well. Yes the characters play apart, but seriously..isn't this thread pretty much about the subject matter of the books?

So what is the subject matter? Whether or not HP is a moral story? What is not moral about HP? Can anyone tell me that?

[sikdragon]

The bible does not proclaim harry potter to be blaspheme. It says witchcraft(which is defined as becoming an open vessel for satan and/or his minions to use your body to create wonders of the fleshly world) is evil. Harry Potter defines witchcraft and wizardry in a different sense. It is completely fictional. Ask any witch or wiccan. A wand made of unicorn hair and the use of some latin terminology doesn't create magic. You have to first open yourself up to the familiar spirits. Harry Potter is mythology not doctrine therefore only recognized as entertainment.

This is the Bible. I seriously doubt any christian can debate this much further without dissembling the fact that they are christian. Christianity is based on the bible. The written word of God. If you cannot accept what is in black and white and sometimes red, then you need to seriously look at your life and question why you think you must call yourself a christian.

Lord of the Rings was written by a Christian man. If you compare the trilogy to events that took place in the bible, you have many similarities. J.R.R. Tolkien took bible stories and created a FICTIONAL world around them.

and for the record. Nothing has ever come from satan. Satan takes that which is good and twists it and binds it to something evil. Sin is the lack of God. Evil is the lack of God. Just like dark is the lack of light. Like black is the lack of color. Harry Potter did not come from satan.

[Spirited Away]

^ That is the end of that.

Meaning, there's nothing else to say about this topic. It's clear that some Christians are so easily offended of things non-Christian that they would make something out of nothing. Actually, no one presented any viable evidence to prove that HP is anti-Christian or from Satan because I don't think anyone can, as sikdragon said, without dissembling his/her faith.

As for whether or not HP encourages the practice of real witchcraft, I think it depends on the person. Watching Sleeping Beauty makes little girls want to be saved from a dragon and kissed awake by a handsome prince. Some girls are happy from just watching the cartoon and others are happy when they act it out. In my opinion Disney doesn't encourage anything that wasn't already there, which is an innate desire to have a "happily ever after". Acting out sates this desire in some ways.

In the same sense, HP doesn't encourage anything that wasn't already there, and I think what's already there is a curiosity of magic. Note that I said "magic", not witchcraft or widzardry or Satan or Evil. In other words, they are not encouraged to be a witch/widzard or evil. Kids could care less about witchcraft or widzardry if practicing them do not equate to having magic. So again, people are curious about magic. People aren't encouraged to practice witchcraft by watching HP, however, they are challenged to think beyond normalcy by thinking about what magic can do.

If I become someone who only believes in happily-ever-after's, would you blame Disney movies or would you think that I'm responsible for my own state of mind? I don't think any logical person here would blame my silliness on Disney. So why blame Harry Potter when some kids want to practice magic? Not all kids who have watched Disney movies believe in "happily ever after's", and not all kids who have read or watched HP want to practice magic. So.... it depends.

NOTE: magic =/= evil unless the intent is to use magic for evil. HP doesn't encourage the intent to use magic for evil because as we all see, good triumphs over evil in HP.

[AnnahhbeL]

harry potter is way fiction. just characters and make believe

[Spirited Away]

This topic is closed because I don't think people understand the rules of the debate forum...

If you would like to reply to this thread with something new to debate on about the topic, please pm a people staff about opening this thread.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Sorry Fae, but I had to address this...

The bible does not proclaim harry potter to be blaspheme. It says witchcraft(which is defined as becoming an open vessel for satan and/or his minions to use your body to create wonders of the fleshly world) is evil.

NO. That my dear would be being possessed, and someone would need to perform an exorcism to get the devil out of you. Witches are not possessed.

This is where you are completely and utterly wrong. I don't think ANY witchcraft is defined that way.

witch·craft ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wchkrft)
n.
Magic; sorcery.
Wicca.
A magical or irresistible influence, attraction, or charm.


Does that have anything to do with what you said? No. BUT THAT'S THE DEFINITION.

Ok, let's use facts next time.

[Heathasm]

hahah i think its funny how more harry potter books have been sold now than the bible XD rofl. those people that protest it are so pathetic...its just an addicting book and people with unstable minds should not read them XD

[Ken]

i mutter expeliarmus to those who think of hp is satanic....too bad i cant spell it....

[sikdragon]

Sorry Fae, but I had to address this...
NO. That my dear would be being possessed, and someone would need to perform an exorcism to get the devil out of you. Witches are not possessed.

This is where you are completely and utterly wrong. I don't think ANY witchcraft is defined that way.

witch·craft    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (wchkrft)
n.
Magic; sorcery.
Wicca.
A magical or irresistible influence, attraction, or charm.


Does that have anything to do with what you said? No. BUT THAT'S THE DEFINITION.

Ok, let's use facts next time.

NO, as defined by the BIBLE. not the dictionary. I said use the body, not control the body. There is a difference.

[*RockizLife*]

If you think kids playing "spell casting" is sad, you must also think girls who want to be kissed by a prince or want to dress like a princess after watching a Disney movie pretty sad, too. Now there's a parallel for ya. 

Haha Yeah, what's wrong with imagination? It's not like the kids are worshiping satin.

hahah i think its funny how more harry potter books have been sold now than the bible XD rofl. those people that protest it are so pathetic...its just an addicting book and people with unstable minds should not read them XD

Um, can you back that up with some facts? I very seriously doubt that a series that's been around for a few years has sold more then a book that has been around for centuries.

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Whoever opened this, THANK YOU.

The bible does not proclaim harry potter to be blaspheme. It says witchcraft(which is defined as becoming an open vessel for satan and/or his minions to use your body to create wonders of the fleshly world) is evil. Harry Potter defines witchcraft and wizardry in a different sense. It is completely fictional. Ask any witch or wiccan. A wand made of unicorn hair and the use of some latin terminology doesn't create magic. You have to first open yourself up to the familiar spirits. Harry Potter is mythology not doctrine therefore only recognized as entertainment.

This is the Bible. I seriously doubt any christian can debate this much further without dissembling the fact that they are christian. Christianity is based on the bible. The written word of God. If you cannot accept what is in black and white and sometimes red, then you need to seriously look at your life and question why you think you must call yourself a christian.

Lord of the Rings was written by a Christian man. If you compare the trilogy to events that took place in the bible, you have many similarities. J.R.R. Tolkien took bible stories and created a FICTIONAL world around them. [B]GASP! Parallels!

and for the record. Nothing has ever come from satan. Satan takes that which is good and twists it and binds it to something evil. Sin is the lack of God. Evil is the lack of God. Just like dark is the lack of light. Like black is the lack of color. Harry Potter did not come from satan.

Your last paragraph is semi-wrong. Evil came into the world through the form a snake, and they, adam and eve, gave into temptation.

Where did witchcraft come from? Wizardry? Hm?

hahah i think its funny how more harry potter books have been sold now than the bible XD rofl. those people that protest it are so pathetic...its just an addicting book and people with unstable minds should not read them XD

Seriously. What exactly does book sales have to do with it? When people buy a BIBLE THEY USE IT MORE THAN ONCE. while people buy each new Harry Potter book because they wanna finish reading the series. There is a COMPLETE DIFFERENCE.

[iiTsDAYNA]

Whoa... Harry Potter from Satan? No way.

Harry Potter is merely a science fiction book! Its supposed to be fun, and not thought heavely on!

Whatever is being said that Harry Potter and witchcraft being real does NOT mean that they support the devil. Even today, the people that support wicca, they do not support the devil..they support gods, and goddesses.

Harry Potter is meant to be a fun experience.

If this topic was to be pledged Truth or Rumor. I would pledge it Rumor

[Spirited Away]

Whoever opened this, THANK YOU.
Your last paragraph is semi-wrong. Evil came into the world through the form a snake, and they, adam and eve, gave into temptation.

I closed it originally, because there are people who won't read the whole thread before posting. I also said that if you have something new to add, you're welcome to ask a Moderator to open it back up. Don't be shy.

What Sik meant is that Evil is the lack of God. It may have came in the form of the snake, but the Evil in the snake is the absence of God. It makes sense to me. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Where did witchcraft come from? Wizardry? Hm?

Certainly not from Harry Potter. So what's your point?

HP is not real witchcraft anyway so don't bother saying that HP is evil because of witchcraft. Witchcraft in the books/movies is not real witchcraft.

[technicolour]

Sometimes the mods are scary. I prefer to be shy. And people DO need to read the bloody thread before posting. Not just one sentence.

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I did not say that witchcraft came from Harry Potter, I am saying that It came from Satan.

HP is not real witchcraft anyway so don't bother saying that HP is evil because of witchcraft. Witchcraft in the books/movies is not real witchcraft.

It is meant to be thought as real witchcraft.

What Sik meant is that Evil is the lack of God. It may have came in the form of the snake, but the Evil in the snake is the absence of God. It makes sense to me. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

If there is an absence of God, usually satan fills that gap.

[Spirited Away]

Sometimes the mods are scary. I prefer to be shy. And people DO need to read the bloody thread before posting. Not just one sentence.

Come on!!! No they're not! There's personal business and then there's business business. If you need a moderator to help you with something cB (business-business), then there's no reason why he/she can't help you (unless it's against the rules somehow).

Thank you for seeing my point though. I've been in the debate forum since it first opened and there's always someone who'll repeat everything that someone else already said... we don't learn anything if things are repeated so senselessly.

I did not say that witchcraft came from Harry Potter, I am saying that It came from Satan.

It is? I didn't know that. Can you elaborate? I will google if you don't feel like it.

It is meant to be thought as real witchcraft.

... how so? If I bought this wand, use it and said "Alohomora"--a spell to unlock a door, would a locked door truly be opened? If not, then it is not real witchcraft. Why would anyone think of it as 'real' when it doesn't work?

If there is an absence of God, usually satan fills that gap.

When there's an absence of light, we call it dark. An absence of heat, is refered to as cold. Thus, when there's an absence of God Christians can call it Evil. Which is the very thing Sik was saying.

[technicolour]

Come on!!! No they're not! There's personal business and then there's business business. If you need a moderator to help you with something cB (business-business), then there's no reason why he/she can't help you (unless it's against the rules somehow).

Thank you for seeing my point though. I've been in the debate forum since it first opened and there's always someone who'll repeat everything that someone else already said... we don't learn anything if things are repeated so senselessly.

Mods are just..in bad moods sometimes. So, I'll be my own innocent self. And Seriously people, if you are going to say something,

MAKE SURE IT PERTAINS TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, not just how much you love HP people.

There. That should help. Silly noobs.

Ok. Down to Business.

Where does witchcraft come from then? If it doesn't come from God, nor the Devil, where does it come from?

If it is not meant to be portrayed, in the movies, as real wizardry or witchcraft, then what's the use?

And..I was being stupid and just wasn't comprehending what Sik was trying to say i guess. I've been sick lately. Ah, excuses I know i know.

[Spirited Away]

Mods are just..in bad moods sometimes. So, I'll be my own innocent self. And Seriously people, if you are going to say something,

MAKE SURE IT PERTAINS TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, not just how much you love HP people.

There. That should help. Silly noobs.

hopefully... trust me, i've tried and tried many times.

Ok. Down to Business.

1) Where does witchcraft come from then? If it doesn't come from God, nor the Devil, where does it come from?

2) If it is not meant to be portrayed, in the movies, as real wizardry or witchcraft, then what's the use?

3) And..I was being stupid and just wasn't comprehending what Sik was trying to say i guess. I've been sick lately. Ah, excuses I know i know.

1) That's what I wanted to know and that's exactly what I asked you. You said it came from Satan and I wanted to know if you can elaborate upon its history but I also said I would research on my own if you don't have time. Also, real witchcraft may have come from Satan, but Harry Potter's witchcraft came from someone's imagination because waving the "authentic" HP's wand won't blow something up. Period. Thus, we cannot say that HP is Evil because that would means imagination is evil.

2) I'm sorry, but I have to say that is a silly question. As silly as the question "what's the use of Disney?" Seriously, it's not meant to be real widzardry or else a bunch of kids would be flying on brooms outside your window right now. The use of magic in HP is to stimulate imagination. The concept of a simple boy turned widzard is the same as the concept of a sleeping spell casted on a Princess only to be broken by a kiss from a handsome Prince. If Harry Potter is evil, so is Sleeping Beauty and so many others.

3) Oh okay. I couldn't understand what you were saying for a while about that.

[lovebabygonebad]

from personal experience WITCHCRAFT IS REAL. of course nothing like harry potter. but never the less it is real. & harry potter is used to teach morals and ethics in a way that kids could get lost into a world of their own and open their mind to the world of imagination. Now its those weirdos that think Hogwarts is real that you need to watch out for.

[*disco infiltrator*]

NO, as defined by the BIBLE. not the dictionary. I said use the body, not control the body. There is a difference.

What the hell? The Bible..isn't necessarily fact. At least..it's most definitely not to me. So..don't treat it as fact. You may believe in everything it says, but it is not fact.

If there is an absence of God, usually satan fills that gap.

Hm?? I'm an atheist, but I don't even believe in Satan, much less worship him..Satan has no part in my life, even though I lack worship in God..

Just because Harry Potter is not a "Christian" book doesn't mean it deals with Satan..




People, believe it or not, but there were people before Christianity with other religions. Were all of them Satanic because there was an absence of God in their lives? Seriously, this makes no sense..

What about animals? What about DOLPHINS? They have extremely well-developed brains, but apparently they're not protected by God. Does that mean they're Satanic?...

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If I can't use the Bible to back up what I'm saying, then really, this should just be closed again.

What about animals? What about DOLPHINS? They have extremely well-developed brains, but apparently they're not protected by God. Does that mean they're Satanic?...

Where the hell did you come up with this dolphin crap?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Your religion should not define your beliefs. Your beliefs should define your religion. Your religion's rules shouldn't be used in debate, real facts and your own thoughts should. You can be conservative and support Christian moralled laws and still not use your religion to justify it. Justin (Crackedrearview) is great at that.

And..what dolphin crap? They do have extremely well-developed brains; second to humans. I was just wondering..I've always wondered.

[technicolour]

My religion IS MY BELIEFS. Well, that's Justin. I'm Kristina, not Justin.

And because Dolphins have extremely well developed brains that means that they're evil. Uh huh..

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well, using your religion as fact doesn't justify your beliefs..I wanna know why YOU think witchcraft is evil, not why Jesus does.

I never said dolphins were evil, I was asking if they were since they have an absence of God in their lives.

[gotblog4me?]

Um, just saying, I did open this topic, and I dont think you can expect ppl to read the last 127 entries in order to post their opinion about it.... and there is no was in the world that Harry potter has sold more books than the bible, there isnt any possible way to prove that!!!! and it definitely isnt true.

And in those past religions b4 christianity, they were all founded around some sort of supreme being... you can check, unless they were atheists... which isnt a religion, its just the lack of a religion. Um, and they did have God... and god protects all his creatures.... but we still have free will and when you start to enter into Wicca and such, you arent allowing the devil to enter your soul and be possessed, but you are helping him, and he is helping you... by giving you those powers... It isn't possession, its your choice to do what the devil wants you to, whereas possession you have no control over, Hence the person above said that the devil uses you, he does not possess you.

[technicolour]

They're animals. Ok, we're talking about HUMANS, not animals.


My religion says that witchcraft is wrong. Interpert it however way you want, but it is wrong, in my opinion/views/whatever you wanna call it.