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Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral?
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post Jun 12 2005, 04:58 PM
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Hey guys, this might be rather controversial, I don't know how many anti-harry potterists there are out there, but heres the topic:

Is Harry Potter a moral story? Is there anything in it trying to encourage REAL whitchcraft? whaddayathink?

This topic has probably already been posted, I'm just interested in people's opinions!
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Jul 12 2005, 2:19 PM)
And since when are churches always right?

Anyway, as for the original topic - morality is something that varies from person to person. I see nothing wrong with reading HP or LotR. Neither are truly meant to steer people astray, and plus. Both amusing.
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LotR can't be Christian he said, not moral or right. Morality shouldn't have anything to do with religion, considering religions have different views on what's right and wrong. So.. Morally, anything can be right and anything can be wrong; it just depends on what affects you as an individual. I don't understand why people make this such a big deal when it doesn't directly effect them. If you're reading a Harry Potter book, you're not going to Hell or something, are you? Sorry if this has already been debated against, just wanted to ask a few questions...
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Jul 12 2005, 4:12 PM)
LotR can't be Christian he said, not moral or right. Morality shouldn't have anything to do with religion, considering religions have different views on what's right and wrong. So.. Morally, anything can be right and anything can be wrong; it just depends on what affects you as an individual. I don't understand why people make this such a big deal when it doesn't directly effect them. If you're reading a Harry Potter book, you're not going to Hell or something, are you? Sorry if this has already been debated against, just wanted to ask a few questions...
When I brought up morality, I was just trying to steer the thread back to what the original poster had said; it wasn't in response to Justin.

And to answer your question, by reading a HP book, no. You're not going to hell.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 12 2005, 2:33 PM)
Lord of the rings does not contradict christian belief in the slightest. J.R.R. Tolkien was a very christian man. He used many metaphors to describes events in the bible. 300 warriors against 10,000. Ten rings ten crowns. There are so many that you can't even name them all.
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So what happened in Middle Earth actually happened due to your belief?..Cause uh, I thought by Christian belief, that would be entirely ridiculous.

People could believe the LotR books just as easily as they could Harry Potter. If someone believed LotR actually happened, that would not be Christian, correct?

That's what I meant by it..
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 11:50 PM
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People could believe the LotR books just as easily as they could Harry Potter.
Oh, really? I can't seem to recall the last time I spoke with a hobbit. I've spoken with a few wiccans before though. I hardly believe that LotR is as believable as HP is.

And I am still awating your response on your statement, "things that happened before humans were here."
 
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Er, I decided not to respond to that cause I forgot about that and I didn't wanna look stupid...but oh well, I'm stupid.

And, if I remember correctly, they never even mention the word "wicca" in the books....they just have magical powers. Kinda like superheros. Except not. I don't know..
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 06:38 PM
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Er, I decided not to respond to that cause I forgot about that and I didn't wanna look stupid...but oh well, I'm stupid.

And, if I remember correctly, they never even mention the word "wicca" in the books....they just have magical powers. Kinda like superheros. Except not. I don't know..
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Well, that's true. If they didn't use wands and were in a school for super powers, would it still be wiccanry? Or should we be safe and ban Superman and The Incredible Hulk?
 
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post Jul 19 2005, 11:52 PM
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... Harry Potter is just a magical tale. There are other books too that are of the same genre, but they're not blamed. It's just a book. It's fiction.
 
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post Jul 20 2005, 04:22 PM
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So what happened in Middle Earth actually happened due to your belief?..Cause uh, I thought by Christian belief, that would be entirely ridiculous.

People could believe the LotR books just as easily as they could Harry Potter. If someone believed LotR actually happened, that would not be Christian, correct?

That's what I meant by it..
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No. I don't think thats what they meant. It more a base of morals. And LotR does reflect alot of Christian things. The whole book isn't based on Christianity, it's just the good values, morals, and stories that are in the Bible can be paralleled with the Lord of the Rings. I am a huge Lord of the Rings fan and I personally enjoyed it more then Harry Potter. LotR is much more of an adult book. Harry Potter seems a little childish. It's more on The Hobbit standards. That book is much more childish then the Lord of the Rings series.

Harry Potter is not from satin, however there are references to wicca. I never saw any wicca "forced" on the reader to practice. Some southern baptist pastor might tell you otherwise, but that's probably because they just automatically think it's "evil."

I think the books are a little stupid, but thats just my opinion. Doesn't mean they are terrible.
 
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post Jul 20 2005, 04:34 PM
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post Jul 20 2005, 05:44 PM
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DOES FRODO WORSHIP A GOD?

DOES ANYONE WORSHIP ANYONE?

YES, THE BAD GUYS WORSHIP THE RING.

AND THE WHOLE BOOK IS ABOUT DESTORYING THE RING.
 
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post Jul 20 2005, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(crayonzUpMyNose @ Jun 12 2005, 7:43 PM)
its a fiction story. cmon people. nobody is worshipping the devil and we all know witches dont exist
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Nobody? What world do you live in.
 
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Yea, and some people in my school actually think they're Hobbits. If kids pretend to do spells, that's not being evil. I did too, it's called playing and having an imagination. What in Lord of the Rings is Christian?! Seriously, my mind is being boggled right now.

AND NO. HARRY POTTER DOES NOT HAVE ANY REFERENCES TO WICCA. I'VE READ THE BOOKS MULTIPLE TIMES. THERE IS NO WICCA ANYTHING IN THE BOOK.
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 04:01 AM
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it doesn't have to be wiccan to be evil.

it promotes the reaading of a book other than the bible, and is therefore satanic.
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 01:56 PM
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post Jul 21 2005, 02:02 PM
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i heard that on the news blink.gif
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 21 2005, 1:56 PM)
The book is a metaphor. Ring = evil. Destroying evil in the world.


you don't have to be christian to destroy evil. so how is LOTRs christian?

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Wait. Are you saying that books, in general are completely evil?
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all books except the bible. isn't that they way some christian fundamentalists spun it in the past?

(note- just becasue i argue a point doesn't mean i believe it)
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 02:58 PM
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post Jul 21 2005, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Jul 12 2005, 9:50 PM)
Oh, really? I can't seem to recall the last time I spoke with a hobbit. I've spoken with a few wiccans before though. I hardly believe that LotR is as believable as HP is.

And I am still awating your response on your statement, "things that happened before humans were here."
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i dont think that wiccans are the same as what harry potter is.
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 21 2005, 2:58 PM)
*sigh* It PARALLELS the Book of Revelations in the BIBLE. I never said you had to be CHRISTIAN to destroy evil.

And not all books are evil. Are you insinuating that i am a Christian Fundamentalist?
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ehh. with frodo as the christ figure? i remember hearing that this wasn't tolkien's intention, that it was just coincidence.


nope. my attack was aimed at 17th century new englanders. i don't even know if you are christian or not.
 
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post Jul 21 2005, 06:02 PM
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I think they made that up to get rid of Harry Potter, just like Pokemon, Yugioh, DBZ, Ranma 1/2, any anime.

I just don't care what they say anymore, I just rely on my instincts and I'll judge if something is devilish myself. I hate gossip.

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all books except the bible. isn't that they way some christian fundamentalists spun it in the past?

(note- just becasue i argue a point doesn't mean i believe it)


The church didn't make up books. I believe there were books before and after the bible. They could've made a DVD bible or something, it's not JK's fault. And besides, every christian being, if he/she reads HP or not, has a bible.

Yoga is now from the devil too you know. Everything's from the devil, even though God is the creator. Why give credits to the devil if God made it. That's devilish to me.
 
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HEY PEOPLE.

No, not all witchcraft is Wiccan. First of all, there's Paganism. Second of all, those are real things and HARRY POTTER IS NOT. It is purely a story. Wiccans and Pagans do not use wands and hide their practices from other human beings and are also considered humans, not separated into "witches and wizards" and "muggles". It's using your imagination.

AND HEY LOOK AT THAT! Gandalf is a wizard. How evil of him. And oh, he's in Lord of the Rings too isn't he..
 
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 22 2005, 12:19 PM)
Hell no, not  Frodo as the Christ figure. But, in general, over coming the evil. God I sound like i'm on drugs. I swear im not.

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so... overcoming evil is suddenly a christian thing?
 
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post Jul 22 2005, 02:12 PM
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It is, according to the Bible.
 
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 22 2005, 2:12 PM)
It is, according to the Bible.
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and since when did the bible dictate things?
 
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