Half-Blood Prince Discussion, Spoilers Options

[jordanriane]

it wasn't intentional.  when the dark lord when to godric's hollow, he intended to kill the boy and make the seventh horcrux.  however, the killing curse backfired on the dark lord.  you must remember the dark lord had just killed to rather gifted wizards.  so it's certainly possible that he unintentionally make harry a horcrux, which would explain:

why harry can read the dark lord's mind, and see things from his POV
why harry was scarred, when the killing curse leaves no marks
why harry can speak parseltongue
why harry is powerful instead of weak like neville
why the sorting hat wanted to put harry in slytherin, when his family was gryffindor and he didn't have any slytherinic tendencies.

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

It's been mentioned that Harry has some of Voldemort in him, not soul, but rather his power, his abilities.


Maybe there really IS no sixth horcrux.
When voldemort went to kill Harry, he would've needed a soul.
Obviously he had died.

I mean, how is voldemort able to be alive now without using a horcrux to obtain a soul? Or was the vapor a symbol of only Voldemort's soul surviving, which would insinuate that he's the 7th horcrux to be destroyed.

[*tweeak*]

QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2005, 4:32 AM)
and i also know who  RAB is.

Regulus Black, the brother of sirius black, who was murdered by the dark lord ages ago.

james insitsts that i point out that he's been saying this for 2 days now, which he has

[jordanriane]

Yes, he has. And he won't shut up about anything Harry Potter related, as he apparently must be JK Rowling and knows EVERYTHING.

-sigh-

[*tweeak*]

Since Anna mentioned a new topic for discussion of the book, I figured I'd just create the new topic, that way people can talk about the book here, instead of in the other thread, that people can use who haven't finished/read the book yet.
How were you able to figure that it was him?
The only real problem I had with this book, was the first chapter, with the Minister. I don't really see that it was too relevent, other then telling us that the muggle world saw these deaths are regular murders (aside from trying to figure out how someone died when they were alone and locked up) and whatnot.. But it was just really irrelevent, and ticked me off that it had really little meaning with the rest of the book.

Maybe it'll tie in for book 7, hopefully.

it was confusing too- i thought we were talking about the minister of magic for the first couple of pages while it wasn't

i thought the 6th book was supposed to reveal a lot about lilly. but it did not.

[[x]Mari[x]]

I can't believe he broke up with Ginny. I understand the noble cause and everything, but GOSH, he could've at least held the romance into the 7th book a little.

I knew they would get together from the 2nd book! X__X I swear it! But I waited all that time just to be shot down by a 2-or-3 chapter romance.

[maia_dc]

Hmmm... I've realized that debating about Harry Potter is like dancing about architecture.

[*tweeak*]

^whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[aeyungg xd]

i was upset that harry went all "spiderman" on ginny, NOT FAIR NOT FAIR. and those of you that were harry and hermione fans, its been hinted so many times, of rons growing jealousy, and hermione's knowing. so yeah.

it makes a LOT of sense for RAB to be R and B because two people WERE needed to extract the locket. wait, so is the locket destroyed or not?(not sure if i read that in other people's replies)

i was extremely upset when snape was really a bad dude. and as someone else said earlier, what if this is all part of a master plan? i find that extremely unlikely, and a bit corny and stretched out if its really true. dumbledore is usually right, i was so upset that severus was a death eater for sure. i think there is another reason as to WHY dumbledore trusted snape besides the one where he overheard the beginning of the prophecy. there has to be another reason...

it is possible that ginny weasley is a horcrux. it is very likely that harry will have to actually kill a PERSON to destroy volde- he-who-must-not-be-named. you guys forgot something (possibly) didn't dumbledore think nagini was a horcrux? he said it was possible that a living thing can be a horcrux, so your idea of ginny was a veryyy good one.

i can't believe dumbledore died. i mean i suspected like neville or a kid dying. harry didn't seem that upset about it, he cried a lot and all, but he was much worse when sirius died. im guessing its because it was his first death?

poor poor bill. and i was really surprised fleur didn't really care at all. she seems so much more shallow than that.

[[x]Mari[x]]

i was upset that harry went all "spiderman" on ginny, NOT FAIR NOT FAIR.

All "Spiderman"......

I agree, though.

It would make an awesome twist if Ginny were the 6th horcrux! Sad, but I'd love to see that realized from Harry's point of view...

I think it would be predictable for Harry to be the horcrux, though... maybe JK will twist things up and make it Ginny... or, like... Neville... Or something.

[mocassinsx29]

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

He killed Harry's father before he went on to kill him [even though his mother stood in front of him] but why would he make Harry a horcrux after he killed James when the reason he went to Godric's Hollow was to kill Harry after hearing half the Prophecy?

[sadolakced acid]

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

It's been mentioned that Harry has some of Voldemort in him, not soul, but rather his power, his abilities.
Maybe there really IS no sixth horcrux.
When voldemort went to kill Harry, he would've needed a soul.
Obviously he had died.

I mean, how is voldemort able to be alive now without using a horcrux to obtain a soul? Or was the vapor a symbol of only Voldemort's soul surviving, which would insinuate that he's the 7th horcrux to be destroyed.

ok, so here's what happened:

the dark lord kills james and lily, and then went on to kill harry. the curse, however, backfired. You cannot stop or dodge a killing curse, but you probably have enough time for one spell. Thus, the dark lord transfered a segment of his soul to harry. it wasn't his intention when he went there- but he had to adapt to the circumstances.

having a horcrux presevers you life, and you're just a soul floating around. the soul in your body isn't dead. it can infest something else, like rats or snakes, or quirrel.

[mocassinsx29]

So... Harry's a Horcrux by accident? :O Man, I can't wait for the 7th book.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Justin, are you forgetting the end of the last book? Who was Voldemort chasing to kill?

Oh that's right, it was Harry.

And Harry's not an accidental Horcrux. Obviously, Voldemort chooses them. Something special has to be done to make one. Just killing someone doesn't suddenly make one, or he would have millions. He has trophies from special murders that he made into Horcruxes, intentionally making seven. You would think he would want all seven before he went to kill Lilly and James, who he knew were quite powerful.

And again, Voldemort left Ginny to die in the Chamber of Secrets. Obviously she's not a Horcrux.

I still think it could be James or Lilly's bodies. No one's addressed that little theory of mine yet, if you scroll up......I had questions at the bottom of my first post in here..anyone wanna read them?

Perhaps...James or Lily's dead body is a horcrux? I mean, he used trophies from his murders as horcruxes...perhaps he just used one of their bodies?...I mean, as we all would assume, of course Harry would want to visit his parents' graves at some point. But why would she make it a point to include that he wanted to? You never know..I mean, as Dumbledore said, it would be foolish to make a horcrux a living thing (another reason Harry and Ginny are not horcruxes, he already has one living thing; why risk another?) so why not just use the dead bodies?

How was Dumbledore's hand burned?

Er, and did anyone catch that Dumbledore said that Snape had caught half of Trelwaney's prophecy, and that's what Voldemort knows?

Oh, and Nicki, I wanna call you and James. Can I now?

[jordanriane]

He killed Harry's father before he went on to kill him [even though his mother stood in front of him] but why would he make Harry a horcrux after he killed James when the reason he went to Godric's Hollow was to kill Harry after hearing half the Prophecy?

I don't know why you quoted what I said, because it's the same thing as what you're saying.

That's what I've been saying.

Voldemort did not want to kill James, Lilly and Harry to make him a horcrux.
He wanted to kill the parents and harry, simply because harry is the "chosen one." (well, to voldemort's knowledge, even though Voldemort could've picked Harry or Neville.)

ok, so here's what happened:

the dark lord kills james and lily, and then went on to kill harry.  the curse, however, backfired.  You cannot stop or dodge a killing curse, but you probably have enough time for one spell.  Thus, the dark lord transfered a segment of his soul to harry.  it wasn't his intention when he went there- but he had to adapt to the circumstances.

I think you should refrain from "here's what happened," seeing as though you haven't the slightest clue.

There wasn't ten minutes in between with Voldemort saying "f**k, the curse failed! I shall make him a horcrux now!" Then he just dies/turns into vapor for no reason whatsoever.

Yeah, wrong.

I'm sorry, but if you have read the books, then you would've read that the minute the curse failed, was when Voldemort died/turned into vapor. Which would mean that he had no time to make a horcrux, or to even think of making a hocrux.

[font=times]And Ginny being one is ridiculous. Is she something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's? No.

Perhaps...James or Lily's dead body is a horcrux? I mean, he used trophies from his murders as horcruxes...perhaps he just used one of their bodies?...I mean, as we all would assume, of course Harry would want to visit his parents' graves at some point. But why would she make it a point to include that he wanted to? You never know..I mean, as Dumbledore said, it would be foolish to make a horcrux a living thing (another reason Harry and Ginny are not horcruxes, he already has one living thing; why risk another?) so why not just use the dead bodies?

First off, it's not rediculous. It's just a theory.

Second, it does not mean the other horcrux will be Ravenclaw or Gryffindor.
It may seem so, but it does not have to be.

Also, Harry parents a horcrux, I doubt it.
DUmbledore mentioned about using inferi as a horcrux, and discredited his own theory (or harry's, can't remember which.) So it's very unlikely Harry's parents would be one.

I mean, you said so yourself, it'll be an object.
Not a dead body (which could be considered an object, but no.) not a person..
Also, it's a theory that Nagini is a horcrux, we could all be wrong, but it seems as if the snake would be one..

[mocassinsx29]

^ 'Cause you said in order to make a Horcrux, you need to kill someone. I said that Voldemort killed Harry's parents before moving onto him. I was also agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed I was saying you were wrong. >_>

[smrkangl]

mayhaps the locket was not already destroyed, but i have a feeling it is.  it's too easy to just waltz into the black manor and have a scavenger hunt...  no,  if it's not destroyed, it'd have to be challenging to get.  regulus black won't have made it impossible to get too, like the dark lord.  so it's probably destoryed, or the dark lord has it.

would it be possible that the locket was taken by Mundungus Fletcher? (along with the other things he stole from the Black manor)

[JasonBeTheMan]

Earlier someone mentioned Snape being a bad dude...and maybe it was part of a mater plan. Maybe people should lay off Snape until after they read the last book. If you paid attention, you would have noticed that Snape did not kill anyone but Dumbledore. He had his chance at Harry. I know he said that Voldemort wanted Harry for himself, but really......think about it. Dumbledore could have known about the oath Snape took. It seems to me that Dumbledore was stalling Malfoy for Snape to come. Dumbledore pleaded with Snape, but he did not plead for Snape not to kill him. Never onece did Dumbledore sayd.."Severus...please don't kill me". He just said "Severus please.." How do we know that he wasn't pleading with Snape too kill him. Afterall....if Snape didn't complete Malfoy's task, he would have died himself. I believe Dumbledore had something in mind for Snape. He might believe that Snape being alive is much more important than himself being alive. So therefore, I believe that killing Dumbledore was not the decision of Snape, but of Dumbledore himself. Let us remember that if Dumbledore opened his thoughts, Snape could easily have read them. :)

[quinntastic]

Of course I was devasted that Dumbledore died, even more so than Sirius (and he's my fave character). But for me, the third book is the best so far. I'm just afraid she's going to kill everybody in the last book for shock value, and my faint little heart cannot take it anymore!

[mocassinsx29]

The locket theory.

^x3 I thought that maybe Mundungus took it too, I looked back and it didn't say anything falling out of his bag except the goblet with the Black crest. I don't think the locket was destroyed but I think they have to track down Mundungus and then destroying the locket will be complicated as well.

[michelle_07]

[QUOTE]Earlier someone mentioned Snape being a bad dude...and maybe it was part of a mater plan. Maybe people should lay off Snape until after they read the last book. If you paid attention, you would have noticed that Snape did not kill anyone but Dumbledore. He had his chance at Harry. I know he said that Voldemort wanted Harry for himself, but really......think about it. Dumbledore could have known about the oath Snape took. It seems to me that Dumbledore was stalling Malfoy for Snape to come. Dumbledore pleaded with Snape, but he did not plead for Snape not to kill him. Never onece did Dumbledore sayd.."Severus...please don't kill me". He just said "Severus please.." How do we know that he wasn't pleading with Snape too kill him. Afterall....if Snape didn't complete Malfoy's task, he would have died himself. I believe Dumbledore had something in mind for Snape. He might believe that Snape being alive is much more important than himself being alive. So therefore, I believe that killing Dumbledore was not the decision of Snape, but of Dumbledore himself. Let us remember that if Dumbledore opened his thoughts, Snape could easily have read them. :)
[/QUOTE]

^ i hope that's true. but i still really don't like snape. that would make a totally interesting twist for book 7. the only problem with snape killing dumbledore is that dumbledore was the only one who had a good reason to trust snape. now that dumbledore has been killed by snape, if snape truely is still on the good side, no one's gonna believe him.
but i kinda believe that snape still might be.

in the book dumbledore mentioned that the something that belonged to gryffindor was safe in his office, but couldn't gryffindor have had more than one thing belonging to him? couldn't all of the founders have had more than one thing? now that would make things tricky...

i have a question though:
was anyone else a little upset when harry said he wasn't planning on going back to hogwarts for his final year???

[/QUOTE]Of course I was devasted that Dumbledore died, even more so than Sirius (and he's my fave character). But for me, the third book is the best so far. I'm just afraid she's going to kill everybody in the last book for shock value, and my faint little heart cannot take it anymore![/QUOTE]
^i agree.

[sorry, but i don't know why the quotes aren't working...]

[dahding]

sure, it "devasted" me too.

anywho, i think it'd stay as one item per founder. otherwise, "omg, i must go find slytherin's shoe, sock, used condom, hair gel, glasses, second pair of glasses, shotgun, shot glass, porn magazines, fan, paperclips, stapler, books, tweezers, drumsticks, flaming shishkabob, and wallet. AND THEN, i can kill voldemort. "

[*autumn.*]

okay aside from horcruxes...

i think snape is a good guy. dumbledore pleaded for snape to kill him. (probably a very hard thing for snape to do). dumbledore spared his life for harry, which brings the whole "protect harry by dying and shielding him with my love" together, like lilly's.

and the fact that dumbledore REALLY trusted snape. i've read somewhere online that snape could have had a thing for lilly, and was really devasted when he realized that his actions led voldemort to kill her, so he confessed everything to dumbledore? just a theory, though.

go here. http://haneoka.net/karenai/archives/evil.htm

[michelle_07]

sure, it "devasted" me too.

anywho, i think it'd stay as one item per founder. otherwise, "omg, i must go find slytherin's shoe, sock, used condom, hair gel, glasses, second pair of glasses, shotgun, shot glass, porn magazines, fan, paperclips, stapler, books, tweezers, drumsticks, flaming shishkabob, and wallet. AND THEN, i can kill voldemort. "

ROFL. haha. yeah, it probably would just be one thing.
too bad for harry dumbledore never mentioned what ravenclaw's thing could possibly be. i mean, dumbledore should've known what it was right, just not if voldemort actually has it or not.

go here. http://haneoka.net/karenai/archives/evil.htm

^that's really interesting.

[sadolakced acid]

I don't know why you quoted what I said, because it's the same thing as what you're saying.

That's what I've been saying.

Voldemort did not want to kill James, Lilly and Harry to make him a horcrux.
He wanted to kill the parents and harry, simply because harry is the "chosen one." (well, to voldemort's knowledge, even though Voldemort could've picked Harry or Neville.)
I think you should refrain from "here's what happened," seeing as though you haven't the slightest clue.

There wasn't ten minutes in between with Voldemort saying "f**k, the curse failed! I shall make him a horcrux now!" Then he just dies/turns into vapor for no reason whatsoever.

Yeah, wrong.

I'm sorry, but if you have read the books, then you would've read that the minute the curse failed, was when Voldemort died/turned into vapor. Which would mean that he had no time to make a horcrux, or to even think of making a hocrux.

how do you know, exactly? right.

i was saying here's what happened to explain how it could have happened.

i could very well be wrong. but i could also be right.

First off, it's not rediculous. It's just a theory.

Second, it does not mean the other horcrux will be Ravenclaw or Gryffindor.
It may seem so, but it does not have to be.

Also, Harry parents a horcrux, I doubt it.
DUmbledore mentioned about using inferi as a horcrux, and discredited his own theory (or harry's, can't remember which.) So it's very unlikely Harry's parents would be one.

I mean, you said so yourself, it'll be an object.
Not a dead body (which could be considered an object, but no.) not a person..
Also, it's a theory that Nagini is a horcrux, we could all be wrong, but it seems as if the snake would be one..

no, ginny being the 6th horcrux is ridiculus.

why?

because, it would only be a transformation of the first horcrux of the diary into ginny. not the production of another horcrux

to split the soul, the diary would had to have killed someone. and it didn't.

[lovelymissphoebe]

I just loved when Harry got together with Ginny and nearly cried when they broke up!! I don't like Ron with Hermione at all~ the trio should all just be friends