Reality, <<what is it? Options

[pshaa.shauna]

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someone messed with this post....I'll retype

I beleive that reality is me. I am reality, what I don't know doesn;t matter, because it's outside the domain of reality. in other words... Solipsism.

[heyyfrankie]

solipsism is a very interesting topic. i don't totally understand it but i agree, in a way. gah. >.<

[pshaa.shauna]

yea, it's not a very common belief, at least where I'm from, a lot of people who are solipsists(sp?) are also agonistic....

[lbjshaq2345]

i dont know what exactly this is about but i no reality tv is not real reality

[Paradox of Life]

i dont know what exactly this is about but i no reality tv is not real reality

Then don't post...?

Is solipsism where you believe you're the only thing real in your own reality and everything that goes on revolves around your thoughts? And everything is just testing you in some way? And everything that happens is planned out?

[lKVNiiKINKYl]

I think reality is facts, not to say that the supernatural stuff don't exist but my whole theory thing is complicated so yeah :-)

[innovation]

"our" reality can only exist if constitency is a reliable test for physical reality. and that can only be true if there's a non-deceiving god/being who assures it.. right?

or we're all living in the matrix. wahhhh.

[illumineering]

Reality is subjective and based on experience. Remember when...

The world was flat in the days of Columbus..if you sailed too far, you would fall off.
Before Galileo the earth was the center of the universe.
You could get AIDS from a toilet seat in the 80's.

Good point ximxjustaxgirlx

yea, it's not a very common belief, at least where I'm from, a lot of people who are solipsists(sp?) are also agonistic....

My question is that if things are predetermined, who/what established the order of events established in life?

[Spirited Away]

Before Galileo the earth was the center of the universe.

Before Copernicus you mean?

[innovation]

Reality is subjective and based on experience.

so if i have never sensed something, it doesn't exist?

[illumineering]

Oops! Thanks uninsiredfae. :)

perplexism Posted Jul 9 2005, 6:43 PM
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Reality is subjective and based on experience.

so if i have never sensed something, it doesn't exist?

Do you remember when the Europeans first arrived at the shores of North America? The Native Americans, unfamiliar with the ships in the water never saw them. They could see the water moving, but not the ships that created the movement.

[innovation]

^ that doesn't mean that the ships didn't exist. are you saying that the physical world doesn't exist?

[illumineering]

perplexism Posted Jul 10 2005, 2:32 PM

that doesn't mean that the ships didn't exist. are you saying that the physical world doesn't exist?

No, I'm not saying the physical world does not exist. The "reality" of it is based on experience and the unique ability of each individual to interpret and define meaning. Have you ever played pass the message? What the person hears at the beginning of the chain is never what is received by the last.

[innovation]

whisper down the lane? what a lame game.
telephone charades is better. :]

what if you don't experience something but you can imagine it?

[illumineering]

It's just as real. Your mind still recognizes it.

For example, if you close your eyes and remeber the last day of school, your first crush or best birthday, the pictures in your mind are created the same way as a dream where you fly around the earth. Your mind can't tell the difference.

[sikdragon]

Reality is based solely upon perception.

[innovation]

what about the existence of an external reality?

[sikdragon]

Well that's where it gets controversial. I believe in God and his perception keep the order of the universe outside of our perception.

[aznxdreamer]

i think we're all single celled organisms hooked up to one super computer robot that generates feelings, thoughts, emotions, cars, tables, dogs, everything in the world in our head. we're not really here, reality is all in our heads.

[innovation]

^ if "reality" is in your head, how are you able to visualize the "truth" (which you claim is this..."super computer robot")?

[demolished]

It's just as real.  Your mind still recognizes it.

For example, if you close your eyes and remeber the last day of school, your first crush or best birthday, the pictures in your mind are created the same way as a dream where you fly around the earth.  Your mind can't tell the difference.

No. Everyone cannot perfectly remember the whole scene. Really. Think about it very closely.

i think we're all single celled organisms hooked up to one super computer robot that generates feelings, thoughts, emotions, cars, tables, dogs, everything in the world in our head. we're not really here, reality is all in our heads.

i thought so.

[pshaa.shauna]

^ if "reality" is in your head, how are you able to visualize the "truth" (which you claim is this..."super computer robot")?

because what she beleive is the truth is in her head...and someone messed with my first post...

[maia_dc]

Reality is subjective. I honestly don't think that anyone can define what is or isn't real. After all, don't we define reality based on a database of "facts" that we put together to contrast between what is and isn't "real?" Without any contrast, we'd have nothing to compare it to. And that means... that it's all residing on these facts, doesn't it? There is gravity. Therefore, people can't fly. Therefore, you are not "real." Isn't that pretty much how it works?

Oh my gaaa I am getting a headache. I have to stop. I'm waaaay to tired to try and be "intellectual."

[illumineering]

No. Everyone cannot perfectly remember the whole scene. Really. Think about it very closely. 
i thought so. 

The capacity to visualize the scenario is the perfection. There is no need to think about it at all. Whatever images are created don't need to represent a centralized perspective to be complete or even accurate. The passing of time and addition of experiences will always influence any reality.

Additionally, the capacity to express and receive information through language, writing or the arts will effect the details of the memory. Throw in a bit of emotion, intent and random external variables and your notion of "perfect" memory as a recollection of factual information becomes malleable.

If you put a point inside a circle, there are 360 degrees that offer a unique perspective of the same point. Since each degree will view the point from an individual perspective, each reality will be different from the others yet completely valid.

Think about it very closely.
I thought so.

[smile0751]

I agree with you ximxjustaxgirlx. Reality depends on you belief. Its like the old saying- seeing is believe, and along with its opposite Believeing is seeing. If you believe in something called Heliopaths that are gray, have big horns coming out of their mouths, and make trumpeting noises, and then see something that some call an elephant, you wouldnt see an elephant you would see a Heliopath. Wow I have no idea where I am going with this...