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Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral?
xlauren73x
post Jul 9 2005, 11:57 PM
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no way! If you say take away harry potter because it encourages witchcraft, then you have to take away huge pieces of literature as well. what's next.. you cannot read anne frank because it shows hitlers thoughs and may encourage them? you cannot read tom sawyer because it encorages kids to skip school and things like that? you cannot read romeo and juliet because it encourages suicide?

people are so dumb.. i saw this online and spazzed.
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 09:08 AM
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Besides: Pratically anything 'magical' or 'No Mention of Christ' is considered 'Satanic'. Besides their just angry because it's making more profit and money. And have any of them read the book? It's GOOD VS. EVIL! The recent pope actually liked the harry potter book, not the one now of course, but still...just accept the fact, ITS ONLY A STORY, but if anything its a GOOD STORY.
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 02:58 PM
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I agree that it isn't satanic.I've read the books,and I just want to add:the children in the books seem to be christian.Like,they celebrate christmas and easter.Even though,I suppose,there isn't any mention of going to church or having services or anything,but that's probably because J.K Rowling didn't want to make people of other religions feel bad.
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(The_must_die @ Jul 10 2005, 2:58 PM)
I agree that it isn't satanic.I've read the books,and I just want to add:the children in the books seem to be christian.Like,they celebrate christmas and easter.Even though,I suppose,there isn't any mention of going to church or having services or anything,but that's probably because J.K Rowling didn't want to make people of other religions feel bad.
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no, in britian, if i'm not mistaken, people recognise that christmas isn't really that christian, and easter not that christian either.

need james to confirm this.,
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 10 2005, 1:03 PM)
no, in britian, if i'm not mistaken, people recognise that christmas isn't really that christian, and easter not that christian either.

need james to confirm this.,


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lol yah, also i've heard they don't even celebrate 'trick or treating' or anything of that..odd _unsure.gif
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(rinygrin @ Jul 10 2005, 5:34 PM)
lol yah, also i've heard they don't even celebrate 'trick or treating' or anything of that..odd  _unsure.gif
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and they celebrate the day someone tried to blow up parliament.
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 01:43 PM
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Satanists worship the devil.
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Might want to learn about Satanism as well because they don't worship Satan. They don't even believe in Satan. Christians do.

The HP books aren't Satanic. People really need to learn that Witchcraft and Satanism are in no way related at all. Now, I don't know why such people have to be making a big deal about this. It's fiction, and it doesn't even corrupt the children's minds, unlike MTV.

People always stereotype everything, especially religious Christians. I mean, I remember this thing about SpongeBob SquarePants promoting homosexuality and why it should be banned.

People really need to learn their facts and such before saying anything.
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(x____duckii @ Jul 11 2005, 1:43 PM)
Might want to learn about Satanism as well because they don't worship Satan. They don't even believe in Satan. Christians do.

The HP books aren't Satanic. People really need to learn that Witchcraft and Satanism are in no way related at all. Now, I don't know why such people have to be making a big deal about this. It's fiction, and it doesn't even corrupt the children's minds, unlike MTV.

People always stereotype everything, especially religious Christians. I mean, I remember this thing about SpongeBob SquarePants promoting homosexuality and why it should be banned.

People really need to learn their facts and such before saying anything.
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the harry potter books are satanic.

satanism isn't belief in satan or worship of the devil... it's only doing things that benefit you.

the book contains such characters, and was written for such a purpose.
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 06:02 PM
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^ So eating food is considered Satanic?
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 06:56 PM
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these types of things confuse me. my neighbors, who are an extremely christian family, aren't allowed to read or watch harry potter, but ARE allowed to watch lord of the rings. huh.gif
if anyone else is very christian, can you explain this to me?
A bit late of a response, but I remember a discussion on this in my eighth grade religion class.

So. When was the last time you saw a hobbit? Or an orc? Those things don't exist, but wizardry is like witchcraft or satanism - it's real, hence the Christian reaction toward it.
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(x____duckii @ Jul 11 2005, 6:02 PM)
^ So eating food is considered Satanic?
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xlauren73x
post Jul 12 2005, 12:02 AM
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people connect santanism and witchcraft because they define witchcraft as practicing black magic.. which can be connected to satan. honestly, i think people need to realize that the books are fiction. if you try and band one book from children you are going to have to band a billion more. and trust me, im a very religious christian but i love the harry potter books, i understand that they are fiction and they are in no way 'promoting witchcraft'. i mean really people, if we all believed in everything we read this would be one crazy world. wacko.gif
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(xlauren73x @ Jul 12 2005, 12:02 AM)
people connect santanism and witchcraft because they define witchcraft as practicing black magic.. which can be connected to satan. honestly, i think people need to realize that the books are fiction. if you try and band one book from children you are going to have to band a billion more. and trust me, im a very religious christian but i love the harry potter books, i understand that they are fiction and they are in no way 'promoting witchcraft'. i mean really people, if we all believed in everything we read this would be one crazy world. wacko.gif
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in the words of lorelli gilmore and lorelli gilmore:

"that's redundant. "
"and repetitive"
"that's redundant"
"and repetitive"
"that's redundant"
"and repetitive"
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Jul 11 2005, 6:56 PM)
A bit late of a response, but I remember a discussion on this in my eighth grade religion class.

So. When was the last time you saw a hobbit? Or an orc? Those things don't exist, but wizardry is like witchcraft or satanism - it's real, hence the Christian reaction toward it.
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Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.

In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 10:15 AM
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Harry Potter isn't Satanic. Its a fun way to brush up on your latin and nice to make weed and sex jokes about. People need to chill out and quit looking for deep meaning in everything. Its just a stupid story a mother started on a cafe napkin to entertain her annoying kids.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 10:15 AM
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oh my gosh.... people interpret things too seriously.... how can harry potter be such a thing? come on!!! young/little kids are reading this!! the da vinci code is taken so seriously, and other books too. if some one wants to talk about how these fiction stories are corrupting society, then why dont they just go back to the fairy tales, and talk about those....

sigh.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 01:46 PM
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Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.
In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.
However, not to the extent that HP deals with it. And what do you mean, "happened before humans were here"? Are some characters in LotR, such as Aragorn and Boromir, not human?

QUOTE([Mediocre]Artist @ Jul 12 2005, 8:15 AM)
Harry Potter isn't Satanic.  Its a fun way to brush up on your latin and nice to make weed and sex jokes about.  People need to chill out and quit looking for deep meaning in everything.  Its just a stupid story a mother started on a cafe napkin to entertain her annoying kids.
QUOTE(Biblesterr743 @ Jul 12 2005, 8:15 AM)
oh my gosh.... people interpret things too seriously....  how can harry potter be such a thing?  come on!!!  young/little kids are reading this!!  the da vinci code is taken so seriously, and other books too.  if some one wants to talk about how these fiction stories are corrupting society, then why dont they just go back to the fairy tales, and talk about those....
sigh.
If you two had read the thread, you'd find we'd already established that. Read debate forum rules and stop regurgitating shit. kthx.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 02:33 PM
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Ah, well yes, but I just don't understand. Lord of the Rings is about happenings in Middle Earth; things that happened before humans were here and it completely contradicts Christian belief. Plus, there's wizards in Lord of the Rings too.
In all fairness, I doubt those trying to ban it have seen witchcraft being practiced either.


Lord of the rings does not contradict christian belief in the slightest. J.R.R. Tolkien was a very christian man. He used many metaphors to describes events in the bible. 300 warriors against 10,000. Ten rings ten crowns. There are so many that you can't even name them all.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 02:42 PM
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The media hates to see something go so well. Harry Potter is a very high selling book and it has alot of kid reading. Then they come up with something ridiculous about it to stir up trouble. I'm 16 years old and I have read all the harry potter chapters. Now I'm 16 I don't want to belive in the devil nor do I deny god.

It's called Fiction people!
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 12 2005, 2:33 PM)
Lord of the rings does not contradict christian belief in the slightest. J.R.R. Tolkien was a very christian man. He used many metaphors to describes events in the bible. 300 warriors against 10,000. Ten rings ten crowns. There are so many that you can't even name them all.
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NO HE DID NOT

he was just trying to WRITE A STORY

they ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT.

give me proof, in the form of a quote from him, that those are purposeful metaphors.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:09 PM
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NO HE DID NOT
he was just trying to WRITE A STORY
they ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT.
give me proof, in the form of a quote from him, that those are purposeful metaphors.
QUOTE(From the Foreword @ LotR)
...As for any inner meaning or 'message,' it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the froty grew it put down roots (into teh past) and threw our unexpected branches: but its main theme was setled from the outset by the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit...

Other arrangements could be devised acccording to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical refernce. But Icordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old an wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, ture or geigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of the readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory;' but the one resides in the freedom of the deader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
However:
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"The Lord of the Rings" is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work. Unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision."
http://www.theonering.com/docs/10079.html
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:12 PM
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I don't see too many people beginning witchcraft or wicca because of reading a juvenile fiction book.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(reolistic @ Jul 12 2005, 12:42 PM)
The media hates to see something go so well. Harry Potter is a very high selling book and it has alot of kid reading. Then they come up with something ridiculous about it to stir up trouble. I'm 16 years old and I have read all the harry potter chapters. Now I'm 16 I don't want to belive in the devil nor do I deny god.
It's called Fiction people!
Read both the debate forum rules and the first three pages of the thread before posting something obvious like this.

QUOTE(lakerfever2476 @ Jul 12 2005, 1:12 PM)
I don't see too many people beginning witchcraft or wicca because of reading a juvenile fiction book.
Irrelevent to the topic at hand.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:16 PM
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LOTRs can't be christian...

it's banned by a church...
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:19 PM
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LOTRs can't be christian...
it's banned by a church...
And since when are churches always right?

Anyway, as for the original topic - morality is something that varies from person to person. I see nothing wrong with reading HP or LotR. Neither are truly meant to steer people astray, and plus. Both amusing.
 
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