The Bible?, historical acocunt or a political agenda Options

[sadolakced acid]

the bible is God's word. The bible is how to reach God. The whole point of the bible is to experience God. You ask for God and he will appear before you. When i say ask, i mean ask in honesty, not just with your lips.

the bible, if i'm not mistaken, is not gods word. it was the word of the deciphels... and has been translated many times.

it is the word of man, from the word of man... (tones of those) from the word of man, from the word of jesus.

i've experienced god if you don't know. i've asked god, really asked him and believed him. i asked him for help, and he never came. i wonder why i don't believe. things only became better when i stopped relying on god.

^ that's my personal experience. i'm not applying it to other people- just saying what i've experienced.

*sigh*

I'm a strong christian, and some of the replies to this make me sad lol. And stop it with your Aethiesm people. My definition of Aethiesm is Some know-it-all teenager who pretends to hate religion, but celebrates Christmas because s/he is a greedy hypocrite.

stop it with you born again christians, devout christians, etc.

about christmas, see the thread "you can't have it both ways" - it's a long read, but read it.

you mean you're, not your.

tell us why these replies make you sad. it's a debate- come on.

EDIT:

PLEASE GO READ THE 'you can't have it both ways" thread. PLEASE. and then, argue about "jesus's birthday" there. not here.

[sammi rules you]

uh. cookieskater, you are an ignorant little kid who needs to get over yourself. you're exactly the kind of person that makes atheists so fed up with christians.

at least sikdragon isn't rude to people of other religions. you need to realize christianity isn't the ONLY thing in the world.

sure, sikdragon doesn't see others' point of view, but you make him look extremely reasonable which is really saying something.

[sikdragon]

the bible, if i'm not mistaken, is not gods word. it was the word of the deciphels... and has been translated many times.

it is the word of man, from the word of man... (tones of those) from the word of man, from the word of jesus.

i've experienced god if you don't know. i've asked god, really asked him and believed him. i asked him for help, and he never came. i wonder why i don't believe. things only became better when i stopped relying on god.

^ that's my personal experience. i'm not applying it to other people- just saying what i've experienced.

Satan has reign over the world. He offers you just enough to sway you because he can. Things seem to be better, but they're not. It was because of you that you didnt experience God. You can't just say because not everything goes your way, God didn't help you. Rain falls on the wicked and the righteous the same.

Are you saying that an omnipotent God can't write perfection using imperfect tools? disciples. The amplified bible and the king james bible are very very close translations to the original texts. Can you find a legitimate claim of a flaw between the leather? No. I'm not saying throw a whole bunch of out of context verses at me to test the bible. I'm not the bible and cannot answer everything. The Bible has no flaws. If you read and study the whole thing you get one message, "Jesus is." Everything else explains what that means. For your translation error argument, man has throughout the ages has tried to corrupt the word, but has failed. There are false bibles who claim to be the real translation, but the true translations endure.

[sadolakced acid]

The amplified bible and the king james bible are very very close translations to the original texts. Can you find a legitimate claim of a flaw between the leather? No. I'm not saying throw a whole bunch of out of context verses at me to test the bible. I'm not the bible and cannot answer everything. The Bible has no flaws. If you read and study the whole thing you get one message, "Jesus is." Everything else explains what that means. For your translation error argument, man has throughout the ages has tried to corrupt the word, but has failed. There are false bibles who claim to be the real translation, but the true translations endure.

the king james bible was written to help conquer scotland and ireland.


i fail to see how man has failed. i've read different versions of the bible that are obviously over-simplifications, and have destroyed the original meaning.

and you cannot deny people using the cain and able thing to justify slavery.

EDIT:

translations: how are there true translations?

in those 'true translations' does it say father for god? or does it say abah? abah's the original hebrew word for father, and was used by jesus. but, it's the casual term. it's dad, or daddy.


ehh. i overheard a fathers day sermon.

[sammi rules you]

just because justin's not christian doesn't mean he's satanic why are you bringing satan up?

[sikdragon]

Is slavery justifiable? the fault is in interpretation. Ireland was never conquered. It's merely been occupied. The views of Christianity very closely matched the beliefs of ireland's pagan peoples. Catholicism is a very easy religion to worship. It has a lot of the right principles, but relies to much on the authority of man in the church. I sort of get what you mean, but ireland turned catholic. The king james version does not support the catholic beliefs.

Edit: I didnt say he was satanic. I'm saying he was tempted with what satan had provided. This does not make satan responsible for anyone's actions.

edit again:Grammar is hardly the issue. The message is still delivered intact.

[sadolakced acid]

well, the king james version worked on scotland.

if grammar is messed up, i'm pretty sure some of the message got messed up too.

don't forget the dead sea scrolls.

that, and the fact that the bible was probably written around 500 BC.

[sikdragon]

the bible was written over hundreds of years by various authors. From back at the time of ancient egypt and the earlier pyramids to the reign of the roman empire. The torah may have been completed earlier, but the bible wasn't complete until the new testament was finished. The grammar isn't messed up. You're assuming. I'm saying that if there was a grammar problem, the message is what matters and that is untainted in the real translations.

[sadolakced acid]

the bible was written over hundreds of years by various authors. From back at the time of ancient egypt and the earlier pyramids to the reign of the roman empire. The torah may have been completed earlier, but the bible wasn't complete until the new testament was finished. The grammar isn't messed up. You're assuming. I'm saying that if there was a grammar problem, the message is what matters and that is untainted in the real translations.

the problem lies in people who take the bible word for word.

word for word, the bible is tainted. mayhaps, the original message can be found by reading the whole thing.

but taking it by verse, word for word, it is tainted by the tranlator's ideals.

[sikdragon]

not the translator. The interpretation. God is not so powerless that he cannot speak through the imperfection of mistranslation. The ideals can be altered such as the completely unrelated Jehova's witness king james bible. It was poorly translated and made the book suit the beliefs of the group rather than the congregation fitting to the book. The main message can be grasped. It's just the teachings that usually go along with their bible that corrupts the message.

[sadolakced acid]

but there are often no direct translations. and in fact, many different ways to translate something. in those cases, the translator will use what they think is best, and impart upon thier translation a bit of thier ideals.

[SarahxJoy]

*sigh*

I'm a strong christian, and some of the replies to this make me sad lol. And stop it with your Aethiesm people. My definition of Aethiesm is Some know-it-all teenager who pretends to hate religion, but celebrates Christmas because s/he is a greedy hypocrite.

I think that's a little harsh.

Those who choose to be aethiests (at least those that I know of) are such because they, personally, do not have enough proof that God or any other higher being exists. Other than that if they're unsure then they just might as well be agnostic.

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

I know it may seem somewhat off-tangent, but I need to put this, because I seem to place this in almost every religious thread I post in:

Very simply, I believe Religion is simply an explanation for the questions we can't answer, for the things we were and are afraid of, because we fear what we don't understand. When we couldn't say how Life started, we came up with Genesis; when wanted to know what happened when people died, we created Heaven and Hell. All Religions, or actually I should say, beliefs, are simply different means of trying to achieve explanation. "Atheists" are simply those that believe that there is no answer, or it can't be reached at the time, or by some other reason that I have not noted. We all have different means as to how to answer these unanswerable questions, but we do have the same goal: to understand.

[*kryogenix*]

^ what was the point of that?

it's a stupid bible verse, and one that's probably been mistranslated at that.

The passage roughly translates to me as 'if you don't care for me, I won't care for you.' Or more crudely, 'if you don't give a shit about me, why should I give a shit about you'.

Where are you getting these translations?

I'd like to know where you get these translations from. Because my bible has annotations, and the footnotes says:

"In the Q parallel (Lk12,8-9), the Son of Man will acknowledge those who have acknowledged Jesus, and those who deny him will be denied (by the Son of Man) before the angles of God at the judgement. Here Jesus and the Son of Man are identified, and the acknowledgment or denial will be before his heavenly father."

Which means, "If you deny my existence, I will deny your entry to the kingdom of Heaven." That's not nearly the same as "if you don't care for me, I won't care for you."

Now, why would a parent ever say that to his/her child. I remember getting into arguments with my parents in my younger days and they never said they'd give up on me or that they'll leave me behind just because I couldn't understand our circumstances. In fact, they said they'll be there for me for whatever reason, which is one of the reasons why I am a better person today.

Isaiah 49:15

Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

[fameONE]

*sigh*

I'm a strong christian, and some of the replies to this make me sad lol. And stop it with your Aethiesm people. My definition of Aethiesm is Some know-it-all teenager who pretends to hate religion, but celebrates Christmas because s/he is a greedy hypocrite.

How old are you?

Do you not realize that the above statement fuels the hatred toward Christianity?

You sound like a know-it-all teenager who pretends to have a full grasp on, not only Christianity, but theology as a whole.

Do you need your foot surgically removed from your mouth?

[sammi rules you]

not the translator. The interpretation. God is not so powerless that he cannot speak through the imperfection of mistranslation. The ideals can be altered such as the completely unrelated Jehova's witness king james bible. It was poorly translated and made the book suit the beliefs of the group rather than the congregation fitting to the book. The main message can be grasped. It's just the teachings that usually go along with their bible that corrupts the message.

who's to say the jehova's witnesses are the corrupted ones and christianity as a whole is not? who's to say they're wrong and your translation is right?

[Spirited Away]

*sigh*
I'm a strong christian, and some of the replies to this make me sad lol. And stop it with your Aethiesm people. My definition of Aethiesm is Some know-it-all teenager who pretends to hate religion, but celebrates Christmas because s/he is a greedy hypocrite.

You're welcome to the "You can't have it both ways" thread. Please, it'll enlighten your dark, one-sided world.

But you are supposed to point out the obvious wrongs, and the kids who cash in on Jesus's Birthday are obviously wrong...

You're obviously wrong yourself. Where does it say that Jesus's birthday is on December 25th in the Bible? You don't know? Well, because the Bible doesn't say anything about celebrating Jesus's birthday. You Christians copied the Pagans for conversion purposes. We celebrate the day regardless.

You don't help anyone by forcing your hand.

Damn right. I like you better now than before. I'm very much a girl, by the way.

I didn't force anything.

Uh, yes you did. Need me to explain?

When you love someone the natural reaction is to want to be loved in return. Sin seperates us from God. It is a thing that he hates. It keeps us from seeing him. Instead of having us earn our way past our sin by trying to overcome it, he sent us a carwash to was away the dirt and mud of sin. Unless you go to the carwash you cant get your car cleaned. This metaphor requires the metaphorical fact that you have no hose or ability to wash your car. Imagine that your boyfriend started out as one person. He was the most wonderful guy you ever met. You love him. Imagine that this same guy started doing drugs. Let's say he got addicted to crack or heroin. You get knocked into second or third place on his priority list. He gets high and you can't talk to him. He's always jonesing and sells you your vcr for money. He gets irrate and even violent if he doesnt get his fix. How can you keep your relationship healthy? You see he has a problem, he doesnt. Jesus is like Rehab. Hope that answers your question.

a note on the blind attacks, how can you understand fully something you've never experienced?

But "wanting to be loved" is a form of greed, which is part of the Seven Deadly sins. Yes, wanting something, be it love or money, is greed. So in wanting His love to be returned, a kind of greed, He made a condition to receiving his love.

As for the example, if I were All Powerful, I'd make him see the bad and what it's doing to our relationship. I would be clear and concise and face him myself, not send someone else to do the deed or have other people tell him that I love. For our purposes, God shouldn't be vague. The fact that He is make many people, people like me doubt him. And if it were true love, I will never abandon my boyfriend to that life alone.

1) Where are you getting these translations?
2) I'd like to know where you get these translations from. Because my bible has annotations, and the footnotes says:
"In the Q parallel (Lk12,8-9), the Son of Man will acknowledge those who have acknowledged Jesus, and those who deny him will be denied (by the Son of Man) before the angles of God at the judgement. Here Jesus and the Son of Man are identified, and the acknowledgment or denial will be before his heavenly father."
Which means, "If you deny my existence, I will deny your entry to the kingdom of Heaven." That's not nearly the same as "if you don't care for me, I won't care for you."
Isaiah 49:15

3) Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

I sectioned your response in three parts to better reply to you.

1) I did say that "to me [the passage] translates" as... Meaning, that's how I interpret it.

2) Actually, it is exactly as I see it. Denying me Heaven because I do not know/ accept Jesus is a condition. A condition that says, if you don't do this for me, I won't do this for you. Which is the SAME THING as if you don't give a shit about me, I won't give a shit about you.
I hope you see where I'm coming from.

3) Depends on the Mother. Why would the Almighty compare Himself to human standards? If a mother abandons her baby we know that her love is conditional. However, God's love is said to be uncondtional, so why must there be a condition to receive it? Again, a contrary that I will never understand.

[sadolakced acid]

it's like, "if you don't sratch my back, i won't sratch yours. "

many elements of christianity are formulated, so that its believers are required to help spread christianity.

honestly, if two things were differnet about christianity, i'd be christian:

1. if it didn't say all other religions were false, but instead said there were just different interpretations of god. like, polytheistic religions, all the lesser gods could just be interpretations of angels, etc.

2. if it lacked the whole evangecalism thing.

[*suddenly she*]

if you post a verse, also post what you think it means so we can contradi- so we can agree or disagree.

so, on God's standards of good and morality.
do not murder, do not steal, do not cheat or lie, love your neighbor as yourself, treat others as you would have yourself treated, forgive, love, be kind to the fatherless/poor/hungry/etc, do not commit immoral deeds, do not cause your brother or sister to stumble, etc.

there are a lot of rules.

to this, from the other side, i would say, "then since the bible is such a large book, how can we know all of it?"

you probably can't know all of it, so this is where we ask the question, what would Jesus do?



eh, i just realized how off-topic i sound.

on evangelism, even if the bible didn't tell us to, i still would. i've got a lot of non christian friends, and i don't want to know that they're going to go to hell after they die.

As for the example, if I were All Powerful, I'd make him see the bad and what it's doing to our relationship. I would be clear and concise and face him myself, not send someone else to do the deed or have other people tell him that I love. For our purposes, God shouldn't be vague. The fact that He is make many people, people like me doubt him.

i think God seems to be less vague when we study him more. it's hard to understand the actions of someone we don't understand very much, or at all.
i know i still don't understand him that well.
acid, how well did you understand God?

[*kryogenix*]

I sectioned your response in three parts to better reply to you.

1) I did say that "to me [the passage] translates" as... Meaning, that's how I interpret it.

2) Actually, it is exactly as I see it. Denying me Heaven because I do not know/ accept Jesus is a condition. A condition that says, if you don't do this for me, I won't do this for you. Which is the SAME THING as if you don't give a shit about me, I won't give a shit about you.
I hope you see where I'm coming from.

3) Depends on the Mother. Why would the Almighty compare Himself to human standards? If a mother abandons her baby we know that her love is conditional. However, God's love is said to be uncondtional, so why must there be a condition to receive it? Again, a contrary that I will never understand.

Ah, sorry, I was confused because acid said it was poorly translated, so I assumed you had (at least what you think is) a "better" translation.

2) I see where you're coming from, but it's a bit.. blunt.

3) Because humans cannot comprehend heavenly standards. That is why Jesus spoke in parables.

God's love is unconditional. You're receiving it now. The fact that you were born means God loves you. But when you deny his existence, you will be punished for it. That is what Hell is.

Err, don't take the "you"'s personally, sorry about that.

  it's like, "if you don't sratch my back, i won't sratch yours. "

many elements of christianity are formulated, so that its believers are required to help spread christianity.

honestly, if two things were differnet about christianity, i'd be christian:

1. if it didn't say all other religions were false, but instead said there were just different interpretations of god. like, polytheistic religions, all the lesser gods could just be interpretations of angels, etc.

2. if it lacked the whole evangecalism thing.

it's evangelism, not evangecalism

but back to what you said, if you found the way of God, why wouldn't you want to show it to everyone else? To me, evangelism is helping others out.

[Spirited Away]

if you post a verse, also post what you think it means so we can contradi- so we can agree or disagree. 
so, on God's standards of good and morality.
do not murder, do not steal, do not cheat or lie, love your neighbor as yourself, treat others as you would have yourself treated, forgive, love, be kind to the fatherless/poor/hungry/etc, do not commit immoral deeds, do not cause your brother or sister to stumble, etc.

What about white lies?

i think God seems to be less vague when we study him more. it's hard to understand the actions of someone we don't understand very much, or at all.
i know i still don't understand him that well.

Back to the example with a little twist. Lets say my boyfriend became a druggie because of his no good childhood friends and I'm trying to steer him away from those bad people. My boyfriend's confused. Who should he listen to, the no good friends, or his girlfriend who's trying to save him. The thing is, he's not sure if my intentions are to save him. We don't know each other that well after all. Now, who's fault is that? Mine? His? The both of us? I'd say both. If I didn't take the time to let him know me, let him know of my genuine affections, let him know that I'm always there by actually being there, I shouldn't blame him for not knowing me.





To Kryo,

Ah, sorry, I was confused because acid said it was poorly translated, so I assumed you had (at least what you think is) a "better" translation.
2) I see where you're coming from, but it's a bit.. blunt.
3) Because humans cannot comprehend heavenly standards. That is why Jesus spoke in parables.
God's love is unconditional. You're receiving it now. The fact that you were born means God loves you. But when you deny his existence, you will be punished for it. That is what Hell is.
Err, don't take the "you"'s personally, sorry about that.

1) ohh, okay
2) uh, yea, sorry about that.
3) Hmm, I believe in a Creator, it's Jesus and the Bible that I don't trust. If we were meant to have free will, God's gift to Man, doesn't that mean we're allow to make our own rules and decisions? Why must there be a Bible for us to obey? This is another point that I don't understand.

Oh, and why are we punished for denying God's existence? If God loves me unconditionally, and I don't believe in Him... why am I punished?

[sikdragon]

1. if it didn't say all other religions were false, but instead said there were just different interpretations of god. like, polytheistic religions, all the lesser gods could just be interpretations of angels, etc.

2. if it lacked the whole evangecalism thing.

the bible doesnt say all other religions are wrong. It says that sin is wrong. If a religion causes you to have sex with animals then yes you are wrong.

Evangelism is just a way of sharing your faith. There are corrupt evangelists and people who pray loudly on street corners and point the finger and make it sound like if you dont follow things perfectly you'll go to hell. Those were the people Jesus preached about he said hyprocrisy and things of the sort were not what he meant by go forth to the uttermost parts of the earth with his words. Jesus does not only want you to love him, he wants us to love each other.

But "wanting to be loved" is a form of greed, which is part of the Seven Deadly sins. Yes, wanting something, be it love or money, is greed. So in wanting His love to be returned, a kind of greed, He made a condition to receiving his love.

As for the example, if I were All Powerful, I'd make him see the bad and what it's doing to our relationship. I would be clear and concise and face him myself, not send someone else to do the deed or have other people tell him that I love. For our purposes, God shouldn't be vague. The fact that He is make many people, people like me doubt him. And if it were true love, I will never abandon my boyfriend to that life alone.

A form of greed? in what way?

If god were less vague everyone would become extremely dependant. He wants us to live our lives as humans. He wants us to learn to ride our bikes without him running with us. He'll still run out and pick us up if we fall, but he still wants us to find the joy of riding a bike.

He hasn't abandoned us. He never has. He's sitting next to us trying to get us to stop. He's not nagging, he's patient. He tries to save everyone from their drugs in different ways. Different circumstances.

who's to say the jehova's witnesses are the corrupted ones and christianity as a whole is not? who's to say they're wrong and your translation is right?

There are obvious contradictions in their doctrine. Mine is without contradiction. I'm not saying all jehova's witnesses are going to hell. Everyone is case by case. God doesn't stereotype.

[sadolakced acid]

ehh. i reallly don't like evangelism.

on evangelism, even if the bible didn't tell us to, i still would. i've got a lot of non christian friends, and i don't want to know that they're going to go to hell after they die.

now, that's assuming that christianity is completely correct. i think a loving god would not have put that in there. the whole, if you're not christian, you go to hell thing. i think that was put in by the early chuch to help boost membership.

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it's evangelism, not evangecalism

but back to what you said, if you found the way of God, why wouldn't you want to show it to everyone else? To me, evangelism is helping others out.

if your way to god were correct, would not others find it too? evangelism is only helping if christianity is completely correct. to me, i think evangelism is a clever trick to ensure more membership in the early church.

Evangelism is just a way of sharing your faith. There are corrupt evangelists and people who pray loudly on street corners and point the finger and make it sound like if you dont follow things perfectly you'll go to hell. Those were the people Jesus preached about he said hyprocrisy and things of the sort were not what he meant by go forth to the uttermost parts of the earth with his words. Jesus does not only want you to love him, he wants us to love each other.

but all evangelists say that if you don't become christian you will go to hell, right?


TO ALL THREE:

my encounters with evanegelical people have left me with a severe disliking of it.

i've known people who refused to associate with us (my family) becuase we would not convert to christianity. granted, they also didn't want their kids to get tylenol because they believed that prayer was enough.

this is how i interpret evangelism:

1. if every able ear does't hear jesus's word, then jesus will not have a second comming. therefore- evangelists will go to hell, becuase they're showing greed by trying to spread the word if they do it so jesus will come a second time

2. evangelical text in the bible was added for non-holy reasons. the early church needed members- evangelical text in the bible would help them to survive, as all members would be actively recruiting.

3. evangelists that stop after you tell them are ok. but not many that i've run into have done this.

4. evangelists seek to glorify thier cause. i watch a documentary, and this guy said, "we flew our bush planes into the jungle, we found a spot to land and gathered the villagers around. we'd hang a projection screen from a wing and play a jesus film from them. they were all mesmerised by jesus's deeds." <- isn't it painfully obvious that these villagers are awed by the plane and moving picture they've never seen before? this evangelist didn't seem to think so.


i've probably just had bad luck and run into the bad evangelists all my life... but there you go.

[sikdragon]

but all evangelists say that if you don't become christian you will go to hell, right?


TO ALL THREE:

my encounters with evanegelical people have left me with a severe disliking of it.

i've known people who refused to associate with us (my family) becuase we would not convert to christianity. granted, they also didn't want their kids to get tylenol because they believed that prayer was enough.

this is how i interpret evangelism:

1. if every able ear does't hear jesus's word, then jesus will not have a second comming. therefore- evangelists will go to hell, becuase they're showing greed by trying to spread the word if they do it so jesus will come a second time

2. evangelical text in the bible was added for non-holy reasons. the early church needed members- evangelical text in the bible would help them to survive, as all members would be actively recruiting.

3. evangelists that stop after you tell them are ok. but not many that i've run into have done this.

4. evangelists seek to glorify thier cause. i watch a documentary, and this guy said, "we flew our bush planes into the jungle, we found a spot to land and gathered the villagers around. we'd hang a projection screen from a wing and play a jesus film from them. they were all mesmerised by jesus's deeds." <- isn't it painfully obvious that these villagers are awed by the plane and moving picture they've never seen before? this evangelist didn't seem to think so.


i've probably just had bad luck and run into the bad evangelists all my life... but there you go.

I'm an evangelist per se. I'm an evangelical christian just as the bible calls me to be.

1. The bible says Jesus is going to come regardless of our actions.

2.The bible is evangelical text.

3. I thought perseverance was a virtue? I get what you mean though, there are bible thumpers and there are those that are sensitive to the wants of the potential person.

4.Doesn't make any sense to me. Try using a different example.

You can't give up on christianity because of the humans you've run into. Christianity says that we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, therefore we are imperfect and will make mistakes. God, however, is perfect and won't. You should wait for him to decide how you feel about christianity.

[*suddenly she*]

The added aspect of accountability in behavior often reduces to an inquiry into the motivation of one's actions. For example, we believe that wearing gold jewelry for ornamentation can be acceptable, unless the driving intention is to flaunt wealth. We believe that many social activities, such as dancing or unusual dress or appearance, can be acceptable, unless the motivation for doing such is sinful. Therefore, if two similarly dressed people were dancing to rock and roll music, and one was exuberantly venting the daily stress and energy of life, while the other was intentionally dancing lewdly and suggestively, we would see that the motivations of the two were very different and would find the first acceptable and the second, not. Observers of these two may not be able to see much distinction between them. The important consideration is that God sees the difference.

We have a similar belief regarding the Commandment not to ever lie and the occasional social need for a "white lie." Nearly every actual lie is driven by negative or malicious or selfish motivation, and that is sinful. However, there are occasional situations where one realizes that the absolute truth might hurt the feelings of another person. Since the motivation and intention is positive (to avoid hurting another), we believe that God will recognize that this "white lie" is not a sin.

Remember, God always knows WHY we do what we do. As long as we regularly rely on the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Bible, we will seldom disappoint Him.

source: http://mb-soft.com/cwalk/walk1yn.html

not everyone believes the same, though.