Paganism and WitchCraft Options

[antix10_kos]

You say that everything is based on the free will of human beings, yes, yes, I know this. That is NOT what I was talking about. I am talking about God's Plan. That mysterious thing that is God's Will. Can human beings interfere with this? Is it foolish of humans to try? As usual, I have been misconstrued. I will not stand for that.

Breakdown:
Humans have free will.
My View:
Yes, we do. We make choices everyday, every second of every day that effect the outcome of our lives. If something goes wrong of our own accord, we can choose how to deal with it. To accept it, to change it, to mull it over and deal with it later. Our lives are like a complex equation, infinite, solvable only in small increments, the bigger picture sometimes remaining unseen.

Breakdown:
Horrid things, such as the defilement of children, happen as a product of free will.
My View:
Yes, that is true. Free will can bended, shaped, molded, broken, and twisted. Free will is dangerous, and in a constant stasis. What a person wants now, they might not want later. We all think "bad" thoughts. Only some of the human race acts on those thoughts.

Breakdown:
The defilement of children and other heinous acts are the products of free will and are NOT God's Will or part of God's Plan.
My View:
Yes, they are products of free will. I also think that if you believe in predestination or that there is an all-knowing being who controls everything to fit it's master plan, then EVERYTHING that happens is part of this plan. The plan encompasses heinous acts of free will. My argument with the defilement of children is that children are sacred and for the most part, defenseless. There is no REASON why they should become the victims of such perversions of free will. If everything is part of God's Plan and everything happens as a result of his will (by "his will", I mean that God has chosen it to part of his plan, not that he chose the exact responses, circumstances, etc. I also do not mean that God is DIRECTLY responsible. Obviously, God cannot be held to trial for such things. Nor can I or any other being pin the truth of the actions on a sentient being such as God,) then God had a hand in it.

Breakdown:
Faith-healing and Prayer healing are asking for God to change his will, and his plan. If he's really all-knowing, then how can we change that knowledge and our destiny without messing up his carefully laid plans? And should we tinker with his plan in the first place? Isn't that challenging God, and a sin or at least a show of poor faith?
My View:
There is no such thing as faith-healing or prayer healing. They happen because they were supposed to happen. They happen because the person was misdiagnosed, their illness or injury was a serious, they woke up at the right time, they had excellent doctors, the medications worked better than expected, the person wanted to live and willed their self to get better. Praying or engaging in rituals of healing or other such things, have no benefit on the patient or object of the prayer. Prayer and other rituals soothe the participants. They provide a HEALTHY outlet for frustration, blame, anger and other hurtful, soul-eating emotions. Is there anything physically, mentally, emotionally or psychologically wrong with prayer?? No, not in my opinion. If that's what you want to do, then do it. If it feels right to you or helps you, do it. I personally don't do it because it doesn't feel right to me.

Breakdown:
God CANNOT always heal you because of certain issues (some sects call these issues "sin", others leave them to be called what they will). God WANTS to heal you always, but he can't if your soul is full of "issues".
My View:
If you believe, God has a lot of power. More than I or you or even the whole of humanity can collectively fathom. So I won't argue that just because I don't believe, doesn't mean that the power doesn't exist. It won't accomplish anything. God is selective, which is something I don't think is right. He is responisble for all of his creations, correct? What I mean by that is, he created us, so he knows that we exist and all, and he could strike us from existance at whim or will, could he not? If you've done "bad" things like defile children, abuse drugs, or steal from others, and you have never asked for forgiveness from those people and from God, then God cannot heal you. Basically, God is saying "You aren't worthy, I don't care, you are a horrible person and don't deserve it." You have to EARN the right to be healed. I'd rather believe that whether you live or die is not decided by anyone, that getting better is always an option until the moment of death and that faith placed in men, science and technology is more realistic than praying all day to someone who is unreliable. There are also times where people pray to die, but remain alive, in spite of much suffering. Is that punishment or do they have to wait to until it's "their time" to go? All of it so confusing, I choose to believe that birth, life and death happen because they have to happen, (on a biological, scientific level.)

Breakdown:
God is always just. Satan is an legalist.
My View:
In the United States, our legal system is called "The Justice System". Although it still has many of the trappings of a Christian system, Satanists are encouraged to enter the legal and law enforcement fields because we are considered to be the better judges, more just because we are more willing to punish. We don't believe in giving someone a break. We don't buy into crying testimonials or bald-faced lies. We believe in facts, in proof and we educate ourselves and take the time to make informed decisions. We see nothing wrong with death as a punishment and truly believe in "an eye for an eye". We, however, take that saying very literally. If you hurt us or hurt someone else that didn't deserve it and we have proof that it was you, we will not only take your eye, we'll take both of your eyes. Or maybe your hand or ear instead. Whatever is just punishment, is what we will do. (This part of the Satanist belief comes from The Lex Talionis is a law of equal and direct retribution: in the words of the Hebrew scriptures, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an arm for an arm, a life for a life." ) Satanism also encourages vigilante action. If someone wrongs you, get them back. Don't always depend on the system to administer the correct and just punishment.

Breakdown:
You have yet to see the true power of God.
My View:
What is the true power of God? Is it that the lame walk, the mute talk, and the naysayers balk? The dead will rise, the blind will have eyes, and politicians will tell no lies? If those things can happen, then they will happen. I have dealt with many issues in my own life, some of which I still struggle with today, this very minute. I have had things happen to me that I don't wish on my worst enemy. I only wish them on those who did them to me. I have struggled with relationships my whole life, yet I still love. I refuse to hate anyone, unless they have wronged me. I do not point fingers. I do not blame anyone for the way I feel. As I stated in one of my previous posts, there is much anger and hate in this world. I will not contribute to that, not at all.

Conclusion:
Do what works for you. Leave me out of it. If you are right and I am wrong, I will not be angry, nor will I cry out when my punishment comes due. If I am right and you are wrong, respect that and show similar strength.

End Note:
I do not believe that God exists, or that Satan exists.

[likeachild]

I do not believe that God exists, or that Satan exists.

why do you call yourself a Satanist if you don't believe he exists?

[sammi rules you]

^ because it's not like he worships satan; more than likely, he has a modern satanist view, which is much different than others' perception of satanism.

[Melissad1016]

I have an aunt who practices wicca and is very happy with her religion. For those who wish to practice wicca or any other pagan religion, go for it! whatever makes you happy as long as no one else is being harmed in the process.

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

I believe in it. I believe that there are vampires, witches, ghosts, and all those things out there.

[not_for_anything]

Actually, witchcraft is manipulation
a simple deffinition

But i dont belive in it, What you described is Wiccan. (kinda of sure)

[JlIaTMK]

^ because it's not like he worships satan; more than likely, he has a modern satanist view, which is much different than others' perception of satanism.

Hm, actually, Sammi, for the most part I agree with you but....

the fact that Satan exists is part of Christianity, not exactly Satanism.

Satanism is more or less being narcisstic and believing that you should become better than everyone and... more or less are.
As I have grown to know, it's where you do not really care about anyone else around you but concentrate on your inner self.

I hope.... that is a valid explanation.

[crayonzUpMyNose]

i dont know if its true or not but that kind of stuff has always fascinated me. i hope its true. that would be cool.

[TaintedDesires]

Wiccan is not satanism. Only reason christians think so is because the horned god. There are three entities/goddess. Wiccan and pagnism totally fascinates me and personally, I think it's more belivable than Christianity.

[Bridget_rules_4e...]

my friend is a wiccan person and i might get into it, i dunno salem was about people scared of something more powerful or immortal so they killed unique people!

[EddieV]

I believe in Ki, which is spiritual energy. Once you can control it, you become a very powerful man...

[ParanoidAndroid]

I agree about witchcraft not having to do anything with sanatism. Witchcraft is simply the form of meditation or gathering energy from natural life forces and/or astronomy.

[inlonelinessidie]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh witchcraft is more like Satan stuff.... what are you talking about? If you didn't know, in the biblical times, there was a witch that God didn't like. The Satan tells what the witch to do. Well there can be a bad witch and a good witch. Good witch doesn't follow the Satan's rule. But the bad witch follows God by using good spells.

Well yeah witchcrafts are real... cause it appeared in the bible hehh...

Christianity believes that ANYONE who doesn't believe in Christ is going to hell and are EVIL. This includes Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

I'm studying to be Wiccan and I find it really soothing. It has NOTHING to do with Satan because we simply don't believe in him. Satan was made up by Christians, and frankly they can keep him. Wiccans usually get mixed up with Satanists because of the pentagram. We use the pentagram with one point pointing upwards, they use it with TWO points upward.

whether its linked to SATAN or not, all witchcraft is bad and i dont know why anyone would do it. some even said that the spells they do dont even work. why have so much faith on something that doesnt give you any results all the time?

Why believe in Heaven and Hell or an afterlife when you have no idea if it's true? Why pray if you don't know if it works?

i thought guys were worelocks(sp?)

Men are Witches or Wiccan. The word Warlock comes from the term "traitor" and they don't like to be called that.

You know what? I may think witchcraft and satanism (I know they're not the same) are a bunch of crap. But, if you get spiritual guidence out of it and aren't hurting anyone then more power to you. I'm sure Christianity would sound really weird to people of other religions.

But, my personal opinion is still that that sort of thing is just... Oh well. It doesn't matter. Just don't let other people change your mind about what you truely believe. Find something that suits you and stick you it. You have to hold to your own opinions no matter what you belive.

Good to hear that someone's open minded. Wiccans believe in relgious tolerance, and also would want their children and loved ones to believe in whatever they want.


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Wicca is NOT all about spells, and if you want to be Wiccan just for the sake of casting spells and curses (which are forbidden) then Wicca is not for you. Not all Wiccans do spells, they focus more on the religious part of Wicca. It teaches that you must do good, and be good to all including Mother Nature. We're open to homosexuality and believe that you're just born that way. We also think that sex before marriage is totally healthy. We follow this rule: IF IT HARM NONE, THEN IT'S OK TO DO.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Witchcraft has NOTHING to do with Satan. Back then Christians just said that cuz they were afraid they might overpower God and stuff which they never did...

And about the Salem Witchhunt, the only reason why those girls were acting stupid was either because they were mentally challenged (even before they acted like lunatics, they stoned old people) or that Bahama slave the reverend owns gave them weed (NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE..after all, that Tituba, the slave from Bahamas, actually talked of rituals of getting high...)

Black Magic - Black magic is an ancient evil. It was originally used by satanists but then those satanists were called witches, thus bringing the bad name.

White Magic- the real practice of witches. Witches and Wiccans have a similarity, they both practiced the form of making medicines through herbs and spiritual power. However, they were all accused of using black magic T_T. The only difference is well..i heard Wiccans worship nature and stuff while Witches just make potions and perform miracles

[Boyfriendless]

I am a modern satanist, sort of, the name kind of bugs me because I get labbeld enough as is, so yeah...

[broken inside]

Wicca sounds like the most stupid thing I've ever heard, no offence. If it works, it's not magic, it's science.