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QUOTE(Heathasm @ May 5 2005, 9:10 PM) i've not debated with one person who has the right facts or can back up their belief that bush is incompetant at running the office, and then most of them go and ge negitive likea stubborn little kid trying to prove their point which is just completely...wrong... ![]() |
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QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 7 2005, 1:08 PM) ![]() Would you like to know why Bush is a competent president? Millions of voters said so. Furthermore: Two planes careened into the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001. It's been over three years since that time; the gas price has only risen 12 cents on a national average, the stock market is intact, and the United States is finally realizing the failure that is the United Nations (just as other world-power 'alliances' toppled in the past). Why is Bush a good president? 1) You still have your nice little house in suburbia, with your SUV/minivan, and your dog. 2) You (or your kids) are still receiving an education. 3) Normality has been quite restored (considering everything that has been thrown at President Bush in his term). I mean honestly -- one year into the first half of his Oval Office occupancy, and arguably the worst tragedy in the history of the United States (committed on our soil) takes place. If you'd ask me (a legitimate person to be asked), I'd say Bush has done a stand-up job at keeping this country where it needs to be. |
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IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE A CLEAR POINT ABOUT A GOOD PART OF MY ARGUMENT, YOU MUST READ THE ARTICLE WHEN I TELL YOU TO. YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW THE HALF OF IT UNTIL YOU DO.
QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ May 10 2005, 6:31 PM) Would you like to know why Bush is a competent president? Millions of voters said so. Furthermore: Two planes careened into the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001. It's been over three years since that time; the gas price has only risen 12 cents on a national average, the stock market is intact, and the United States is finally realizing the failure that is the United Nations (just as other world-power 'alliances' toppled in the past). Why is Bush a good president? 1) You still have your nice little house in suburbia, with your SUV/minivan, and your dog. 2) You (or your kids) are still receiving an education. 3) Normality has been quite restored (considering everything that has been thrown at President Bush in his term). I mean honestly -- one year into the first half of his Oval Office occupancy, and arguably the worst tragedy in the history of the United States (committed on our soil) takes place. If you'd ask me (a legitimate person to be asked), I'd say Bush has done a stand-up job at keeping this country where it needs to be. If you were even close to as brilliant as you apparently think you are, you'd know a few things.... (I'm thirteen and I know this, smartass). Yes, millions of people did vote for Bush. But you seriously do not have to be a god damn rocket scientist to know this: Bush lost popular vote both two elections against Gore and Kerry. He won the other kind (I forget what it's called right now) but more people voted for Kerry in this last election and more people voted for Gore in the 2000 elections than they did for Bush. Now, if you seriously knew your information, you would damn well know this just like I did. But apparently you didn't so you can't talk. Also, if you knew shit about gas prices, you would know this: gas prices only rose 12 cents a gallon. That shit adds up to a hell of a lot of money. That's why you see it on the news ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE!!! Also, for people like my mom, who barely get by in the ghetto of Philadelphia, have to put in about fifty miles a day on her crappy ass car because she needs to drive my brother and I into school in the burbs, then to work, then to pick us up at our dad's house, and then BACK into the city again... that shit takes up A LOT of damn gas. So before you talk, learn your God damn facts. You should know that the stock market has been in tact since the depression and that has absolutly nothing to do with Bush. It would have probably stayed that way either way. I can honestly say that I know jack shit about the UN but I can also honestly say that you said, "The United States is finally realizing the failure that is the United Nations." That doesn't have to do with Bush. Now, I have a very cultured and educated father who pays very close attention to politics and sometimes I am forced to watch things involving that kind of thing. It says nothing about Bush involving that. Just because the US realizes that, does not mean that Bush was actually the one who braught it to their attention. 1) I would like to make it clear that I am NOT, I repeat NOT one of those people living in a small cute little house in suburbia. Meet Julia: me. I am a thirteen year old girl growing up in a little city called "Philadelphia." Now, Philly is a great city full of some damn good people. But you should know that I live in a very ghetto neighborhood where some people are not so great. Would you like an example? That's wonderful.. I'll give you one! This is from the exact place I live. Fishtown, North Philly, PA, USA. QUOTE Posted on Thu, Mar. 10, 2005 Three teenagers convicted in Fishtown murder By Jacqueline Soteropoulos Inquirer Staff Writer In a trial marked by accounts of brutality and adolescent treachery, a jury yesterday convicted three Fishtown teens of first-degree murder for beating their friend Jason Sweeney to death in 2003. "My son got justice today. That's all I cared about," said the victim's father, Paul Sweeney, with his wife, Dawn, at his side. When the jury foreman announced the verdict in the tense courtroom, Domenic Coia, 19, and his brother, Nicholas Coia, 18, showed no reaction. Their accomplice, Edward Batzig Jr., 18 - once the victim's best friend - dropped his head, bit his lip, and appeared to fight back tears. His mother, seated in the courtroom behind him, wept. The jury of eight men and four women deliberated about 21/2 hours before convicting the three of all charges, including conspiracy, robbery, and possessing an instrument of crime. When the Coias and Batzig are sentenced May 6, each faces a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole. Common Pleas Court Judge Renee Cardwell Hughes could elect to add 321/2 to 65 years to each life sentence for the other crimes. Sweeney was 16 - and believed he was on a romantic rendezvous with his first girlfriend, Justina Morley, who confessed to the crime - when he was clubbed and hacked to death with a hammer, a hatchet and a rock. He was murdered for the $500 he had earned working in construction with his father. "We just kept hitting him and hitting him. We took Sweeney's wallet and split up the money, and we partied beyond redemption," Domenic Coia confessed, adding that he used the proceeds to buy marijuana, heroin and pills. As they fled the murder scene, the killers engaged in a "group hug." "It was like we were all happy [with] what we did," Domenic Coia told detectives. Prosecutors intended to ask the jury to sentence Domenic Coia, the eldest defendant, to death. But last week, in the middle of the trial, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a different case that killers under age 18 may not be executed. Coia was 14 days shy of his 18th birthday when Sweeney was slain in a vacant lot. The trio's accomplice, 17-year-old Morley, will receive a 171/2-to-35-year prison term when she is sentenced March 21. Morley, who was 15 at the time of the slaying, admitted she lured Sweeney to his death with the promise of sex. She was the prosecutor's star witness during the eight-day trial in adult court. However, her violent and sexually graphic jailhouse letters were used by both the prosecutor and defense attorneys to demonstrate the group's depravity. "I'm a cold-blooded [expletive] death-worshiping bitch who survives by feeding off the weak and lonely. I lure them, and then I crush them," Morley wrote last year to Domenic Coia. Assistant District Attorney Jude Conroy told reporters yesterday: "We had to pick our poison, and Justina was exactly that." Morley's letters, Conroy added, were "just affirmation of what we knew all along - that she was a cold-blooded killer." But defense attorneys used the letters to try to convince jurors that Batzig and the Coia brothers were no more culpable than Morley, who they argued was the mastermind of the deadly plan. Morley glorified violence and used sex to manipulate the teens, they maintained. The defense attorneys asked the jurors to find the trio guilty of third-degree murder, with the hopes that one day their clients could be released. "I'm disappointed and sad," said Nicholas Coia's attorney, Barbara McDermott, after the verdict. "I'm not just sad for Nicholas Coia, I'm sad for all of us... . We as a community have really failed to address the needs of our youth. "I think Nicky's reaction was acceptance [of the verdict]. He knew what he had done was wrong," she said. "There's been remorse as soon as these kids got off of the drugs they were on." Police Detective Aaron Booker, the lead investigator on the case, said: "In my 10 years in homicide, this is the most unique case, and I've never seen anything quite as brutal." Jason Sweeney's face was unrecognizable from the 20 to 40 powerful blows, a deputy medical examiner testified during the trial. Every bone in his face, save one, was fractured, and the wounds were so severe that investigators could not initially determine whether he was young or old. When the jurors announced their verdict, Paul Sweeney bowed his head in his hands. Dawn Sweeney's eyes filled with tears, and she put her arm around her husband. After the killing, they launched the Jason Keel Sweeney Foundation to fund scholarships to the Valley Forge Military Academy. Their son had planned to join the Navy after he turned 17. The Sweeneys have a 17-year-old daughter. Leaving the courthouse with his family after the verdict, Paul Sweeney told reporters: "My son was special, and it's the beginning of trying to have a life again." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contact staff writer Jacqueline Soteropoulos at 215-854-4497 or jsoteropoulos@phillynews.com. Would you consider that suburbian?? I think not. And if you did, that would prove you to be even more ignorant than you apear to be now. I have a wonderful single mother who does everything she can for her two children. She just happens to be Wellfare, must use food stamps, and only God knows what else. It is a known fact (for all of us informed people) that Bush is paying way too much attention to the Middle East instead of his own God damn country. Maybe once he starts helping people like ME and MY family then I will have the slightest amount of respect for both you and him. But so far, he only cares about the very rich people living in very rich neighborhoods. And areas that he shouldn't be focused on. Any good president knows that they need to take care of their countrie's problems before they go out "trying to save the world" (Which any other informed person would know that he's not trying to do. He is trying to leek oil out of them.) 2. Yes, we are still recieving an education but, as I would HOPE you would know that would be happening with any other president because it is one of those rules that isn't about to change unless we get someone like Hitler in office which is not possible in this country due to our government. 3. If you have said any stupid statement within your argument, it MUST be this one. LOOK AT OUR GOD DAMN ECONOMY!!!! We are going into recession once again. (If you do not know what that means, it's basicly the stage before depression). Our econonmy is horrible and we are so far in debt, I don't know when he'll be able to get us out of it. Especially when he's spending so much on this so-called "war." He's wasting America's money that should be going in many other places but he doesn't realize that because he's a F*CKING MORON (like others I know). There are many things that definatly are NOT going back to normal. Okay... Also, you should know that HAVING TWO f**king BUILDINGS KNOCKED DOWN IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ONE OF US'S WORST TRAGITIES!!! Any idiot would know that. You and Bush are two of the United State's worst tragities. I think I have made it perfectly clear that you are most definatly NOT a lagitiment person to ask. So why don't you go do some research and come back to me when you actually have a valid argument and I am positive that I can match it. Until then, go the hell away. |
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ May 10 2005, 5:31 PM) Would you like to know why Bush is a competent president? Millions of voters said so. Furthermore: Two planes careened into the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001. It's been over three years since that time; the gas price has only risen 12 cents on a national average, the stock market is intact, and the United States is finally realizing the failure that is the United Nations (just as other world-power 'alliances' toppled in the past). Why is Bush a good president? 1) You still have your nice little house in suburbia, with your SUV/minivan, and your dog. 2) You (or your kids) are still receiving an education. 3) Normality has been quite restored (considering everything that has been thrown at President Bush in his term). I mean honestly -- one year into the first half of his Oval Office occupancy, and arguably the worst tragedy in the history of the United States (committed on our soil) takes place. If you'd ask me (a legitimate person to be asked), I'd say Bush has done a stand-up job at keeping this country where it needs to be. bush's administration is competent, bush himself, mayhaps. but neither are great. yes, millions of americans voted that they liked him. millions also voted they didn't. don't forget what the election said. 49% of the 270some million americans hate bush. that's a lot of hate. |
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 10 2005, 11:20 PM) bush's administration is competent, bush himself, mayhaps. but neither are great. yes, millions of americans voted that they liked him. millions also voted they didn't. don't forget what the election said. 49% of the 270some million americans hate bush. that's a lot of hate. For the people that said they didn't hate him, that doesn't mean they like him. My history teacher decided to vote for Kerry at the last minute because of the "No Child Left Behind Act." He hated that and Kerry was against it, too. So just because people don't hate Bush, doesn't mean that he's their favorite. |
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Okay first, let's drop the act. For one, had you taken the time to read the rules of this lovely forum, you'd know that personal jabs, and terms directed at fellow members, such as 'idiot', and 'smartass' are disallowed. Before I even delve into dismantling your feeble argument point by point, let's get one thing straight.
Your assumed superiority has no foundation; a completely unfounded, and unproven superiority has no place here. You've tried to exert your superiority in two equally amusing, however incorrect ways. 1) Logically: I'll get to that in just a second. 2) Experience-wise: With your heartfelt stories of growing up in the ghettoes of Philadelphia and having a mother on welfare. Really, I'm touched. But let me tell you a little story about my life. I was born in Newport Beach, California to a mother that had no clue she was pregnant until well into her second trimester. My father died in a car crash before I had the chance to meet him. My mother then went into a deep, post-trauma induced depression with side orders of social anxiety disorder, learned helplessness, a touch of schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, and bipolarity. If you think none of this affected me, your holier than thou level of life experiences is skewed. But I haven't even begun to tell you my story. Forced to run away from an abusive boyfriend who beat me senseless from the ages of 1 to 5, we came to the midwest. She then met yet another abusive boyfriend who is responsible for my poor eyesight, and several scars. Another abusive boyfriend who knocked me unconscious several times; the list goes on. Keep in mind, I'm no stranger to the Welfare system. It sustained us for quite some time. However, the difference between you and I lies with this fact: your mother's there, mine's not. For 6 months in one instance, my mom was locked up. I managed myself, my schoolwork, and my health on my own at a preteen age. My mother has been in losing battles with alcohol, methamphetamines, and cocaine for as long as I can remember. Only until recently has she begun to sober up, and even now, she doesn't care about me. Evident in the fact that none of my family showed up at my graduation. So, I'm almost finished with this lenghtly disclaimer. The moral of the story is this: before you come storming into this forum slinging mud at me, and giving off your pretentious aura and presumptuous rubbage concerning my lack of experience at life, rethink. Stop. Rethink it again. Perhaps go get a friend, have them proofread your post, and have them help you delete it, because it serves absolutely no purpose here. Now that I'm done slapping the back of your uninformed hand, let's show you just why you're uninformed. 1) You quote that Bush lost the popular elections in both races against Gore, and Kerry, which is only half true. In 2000, Al Gore did squeak out a win in the popular vote over President Bush. This makes no difference, however. If you'd look to the history of the presidency, you'd see that this has happened four times. It's actually becoming commonplace. The purpose of the electoral college is clear: it eliminates voter fraud (such as the old 'ghost ballots' of the mudslinging election days, and multiple voting) because state Electors decide which choice is correct for the country. The uninformed mass of people today simply fuss about something they've done little homework on. Those protestors screaming their feeble vocal cords out fail to realize that this 'travesty of American democracy' has happened before. The members of the Electoral College are: a) Better suited, and more equipped to decide who will lead the country. b) Picked by the people in their state. c) Voting in accordance with how their home state votes. So, in the end, the Electoral College simply serves to dampen the influence voter fraud could occur within the states. As well, it is a logical system. States such as New York, California, Ohio, and Florida have more influence Electorally because they're bigger. Opposers of the College whine blindly about this, failing to realize that a more populous state should logically have more influence in choosing the president. With that said, you must be corrected regarding the 2004 elections. Bush won both the popular, and Electoral votes. So much for me being the misinformed buffoon of a debater without a valid argument, eh? 2) Next, let's talk about your refutal of the gas prices issue. You rave that a 12 cent average is a massive amount of money, and that newsstands and periodicals 'ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE' are out of their nerves because of this outrageous rise in the price of petrol. Again, your argument is unfounded. Before September 11th, the gas was priced at $1.85 at the Conoco down the road from my house. When I left it tonight, four years and a whole lot of tumult later, it's a fair $1.97 per gallon. Does this not make sense? The gas price in 1988 was $.96/gallon, in 1994 it was $1.10/gallon, in the late 90's, it began a rise into the $1.50-$1.60 region, and today it follows the trend. Have you forgotten that back in the golden days of peace, love, and rock and roll the value of the dollar was much less? Have you forgotten that back in the 90's the value of the dollar was less than it is now? Would that not logically correlate with the gas prices? And is it not true that the hostility in the regions of Saudi Arabia, and Iraq would logically have a devastating impact on our petrol prices? Look around; they haven't yet. 3) You say that the stock market has been intact since the Depression, and that Bush's actions would have no baring on that fact today. But once again, you're incorrect. The stock market has fluctuated through successful, and unsuccessful times often since the Depression. One of the chief factors in creating a situation such as the one in the 30's (which had to do with overproduction) could be a tragedy/disaster. Had a stock market crash actually taken place, the deliberate destruction of two of the most economically and symbolically important structures in this country would be a very accepted cause. 4) You have butted your misinformed cranium in where it really doesn't belong in discussing the UN. When you say that Bush's administration isn't the one that recognized the corruption of the UN, it was a collective United States effort, you've done two things: 1) You concede the fact that the United Nations is a corrupt organization (which I'll prove). 2) You as well commit an error. Since its foundation in the 40's, the United Nations has been heartily supported by the United States. In fact, the United States has contributed over 70% of the UN's total budget. Even through Clinton's presidency, a strategy of looking away while corruption occurred was utilized. With the problems of the UNOSOM II mission in Sri Lanka, the failures in Rwanda and the Sudan, the absolute creulty of PKOs in the human trafficking genre of failure, and the recent spotlight on Kofi Annan and his family's wrongdoings (misuse of funds in the Oil-for-Food program), it has taken all the way up to the Bush administration to finally threaten to withdraw United States support. Hence, don't speak on something you know nothing about. 5) You then go into a rant about Bush's neglect of his citizens, which is another unfounded, feeble attempt to sound intelligent. If you'd take the time to perhaps glance at a pie chart somewhere, you'd see that over 50% of the budget deals in some way with social welfare (Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and public debt). A good 25% is in the 'other' category, and just over 15% deals with national defense. The percentages don't lie; he's still protecting our 'countrie', as you so eloquently spelled it. 6) You blindly say that Bush had no part in keeping a decent education in the hands of United States children. However, with a plate full of disaster handed to him as soon as he entered, he's done a stand up job in maintaining salvageable, post-tragedy prestige in our schools. 7) First off, thank you for your inaccurate definition of a recession; it was well received ... by laughter, that is. There are two things in our economy: recessions, and their opposite, progressions. The cycle of a typical capitalist, laissez-faire economy follows a distinct pattern of ups and downs. Our economy is in a cycle of its own doing. The 'recession' is not a presignal of a Depression; it is simply a common low point in a normal capitalist cycle. I'm sorry to inform you, but your frantic mindset and your unfounded doomsaying are completely unnecessary. 8) Ask any historian. Next to the casualties suffered in the Seven Years' War (before the United States was even a concept), and the casualties in the Civil War, there has never been a more brutal killing on our own soil. I can't even believe you would stoop as low as to denounce September 11th as one of our worst 'tragities', as your spelling would have it. So I guess all that's left to comment about is the fact that you think Bush and I are two of this country's worst 'tragities'. I'm really quite drawn back by all of your unnecessary jabs and blows at me as a person intellectually. However, I won't hold it against you. I've learned a valuable characteristic that people have labeled 'maturity', and, fortunately for me, a few baseless, unsubstantiated insults aren't going to alter that. If being correct about an issue is a tragedy these days, bring on the trauma. |
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ May 11 2005, 11:38 PM) Okay first, let's drop the act. For one, had you taken the time to read the rules of this lovely forum, you'd know that personal jabs, and terms directed at fellow members, such as 'idiot', and 'smartass'. Before I even delve into dismantling your feeble argument point by point, let's get one thing straight. Your assumed superiority has no foundation; a completely unfounded, and unproven superiority has no place here. You've tried to exert your superiority in two equally amusing, however incorrect ways. 1) Logically: I'll get to that in just a second. 2) Experience-wise: With your heartfelt stories of growing up in the ghettoes of Philadelphia and having a mother on welfare. Really, I'm touched. But let me tell you a little story about my life. I was born in Newport Beach, California to a mother that had no clue she was pregnant until well into her second trimester. My father died in a car crash before I had the chance to meet him. My mother then went into a deep, post-trauma induced depression with side orders of social anxiety disorder, learned helplessness, a touch of schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, and bipolarity. If you think none of this affected me, your holier than thou level of life experiences is skewed. But I haven't even begun to tell you my story. Forced to run away from an abusive boyfriend who beat me senseless from the ages of 1 to 5, we came to the midwest. She then met yet another abusive boyfriend who is responsible for my poor eyesight, and several scars. Another abusive boyfriend who knocked me unconscious several times; the list goes on. Keep in mind, I'm no stranger to the Welfare system. It sustained us for quite some time. However, the difference between you and I lies with this fact: your mother's there, mine's not. For 6 months in one instance, my mom was locked up. I managed myself, my schoolwork, and my health on my own at a preteen age. My mother has been in losing battles with alcohol, methamphetamines, and cocaine for as long as I can remember. Only until recently has she begun to sober up, and even now, she doesn't care about me. Evident in the fact that none of my family showed up at my graduation. So, I'm almost finished with this lenghtly disclaimer. The moral of the story is this: before you come storming into this forum slinging mud at me, and giving off your pretentious aura and presumptuous rubbage concerning my lack of experience at life, rethink. Stop. Rethink it again. Perhaps go get a friend, have them proofread your post, and have them help you delete it, because it serves absolutely no purpose here. Now that I'm done slapping the back of your uninformed hand, let's show you just why you're uninformed. 1) You quote that Bush lost the popular elections in both races against Gore, and Kerry, which is only half true. In 2000, Al Gore did squeak out a win in the popular vote over President Bush. This makes no difference, however. If you'd look to the history of the presidency, you'd see that this has happened four times. It's actually becoming commonplace. The purpose of the electoral college is clear: it eliminates voter fraud (such as the old 'ghost ballots' of the mudslinging election days, and multiple voting) because state Electors decide which choice is correct for the country. The uninformed mass of people today simply fuss about something they've done little homework on. Those protestors screaming their feeble vocal cords out fail to realize that this 'travesty of American democracy' has happened before. The members of the Electoral College are: a) Better suited, and more equipped to decide who will lead the country. b) Picked by the people in their state. c) Voting in accordance with how their home state votes. So, in the end, the Electoral College simply serves to dampen the influence voter fraud could occur within the states. As well, it is a logical system. States such as New York, California, Ohio, and Florida have more influence Electorally because they're bigger. Opposers of the College whine blindly about this, failing to realize that a more populous state should logically have more influence in choosing the president. With that said, you must be corrected regarding the 2004 elections. Bush won both the popular, and Electoral votes. So much for me being the misinformed buffoon of a debater without a valid argument, eh? 2) Next, let's talk about your refutal of the gas prices issue. You rave that a 12 cent average is a massive amount of money, and that newsstands and periodicals 'ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE' are out of their nerves because of this outrageous rise in the price of petrol. Again, your argument is unfounded. Before September 11th, the gas was priced at $1.85 at the Conoco down the road from my house. When I left it tonight, four years and a whole lot of tumult later, it's a fair $1.97 per gallon. Does this not make sense? The gas price in 1988 was $.96/gallon, in 1994 it was $1.10/gallon, in the late 90's, it began a rise into the $1.50-$1.60 region, and today it follows the trend. Have you forgotten that back in the golden days of peace, love, and rock and roll the value of the dollar was much less? Have you forgotten that back in the 90's the value of the dollar was less than it is now? Would that not logically correlate with the gas prices? And is it not true that the hostility in the regions of Saudi Arabia, and Iraq would logically have a devastating impact on our petrol prices? Look around; they haven't yet. 3) You say that the stock market has been intact since the Depression, and that Bush's actions would have no baring on that fact today. But once again, you're incorrect. The stock market has fluctuated through successful, and unsuccessful times often since the Depression. One of the chief factors in creating a situation such as the one in the 30's (which had to do with overproduction) could be a tragedy/disaster. Had a stock market crash actually taken place, the deliberate destruction of two of the most economically and symbolically important structures in this country would be a very accepted cause. 4) You have butted your misinformed cranium in where it really doesn't belong in discussing the UN. When you say that Bush's administration isn't the one that recognized the corruption of the UN, it was a collective United States effort, you've done two things: 1) You concede the fact that the United Nations is a corrupt organization (which I'll prove). 2) You as well commit an error. Since its foundation in the 40's, the United Nations has been heartily supported by the United States. In fact, the United States has contributed over 70% of the UN's total budget. Even through Clinton's presidency, a strategy of looking away while corruption occurred was utilized. With the problems of the UNOSOM II mission in Sri Lanka, the failures in Rwanda and the Sudan, the absolute creulty of PKOs in the human trafficking genre of failure, and the recent spotlight on Kofi Annan and his family's wrongdoings (misuse of funds in the Oil-for-Food program), it has taken all the way up to the Bush administration to finally threaten to withdraw United States support. Hence, don't speak on something you know nothing about. 5) You then go into a rant about Bush's neglect of his citizens, which is another unfounded, feeble attempt to sound intelligent. If you'd take the time to perhaps glance at a pie chart somewhere, you'd see that over 50% of the budget deals in some way with social welfare (Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and public debt). A good 25% is in the 'other' category, and just over 15% deals with national defense. The percentages don't lie; he's still protecting our 'countrie', as you so eloquently spelled it. 6) You blindly say that Bush had no part in keeping a decent education in the hands of United States children. However, with a plate full of disaster handed to him as soon as he entered, he's done a stand up job in maintaining salvageable, post-tragedy prestige in our schools. 7) First off, thank you for your inaccurate definition of a recession; it was well received ... by laughter, that is. There are two things in our economy: recessions, and their opposite, progressions. The cycle of a typical capitalist, laissez-faire economy follows a distinct pattern of ups and downs. Our economy is in a cycle of its own doing. The 'recession' is not a presignal of a Depression; it is simply a common low point in a normal capitalist cycle. I'm sorry to inform you, but your frantic mindset and your unfounded doomsaying are completely unnecessary. 8) Ask any historian. Next to the casualties suffered in the Seven Years' War (before the United States was even a concept), and the casualties in the Civil War, there has never been a more brutal killing on our own soil. I can't even believe you would stoop as low as to denounce September 11th as one of our worst 'tragities', as your spelling would have it. So I guess all that's left to comment about is the fact that you think Bush and I are two of this country's worst 'tragities'. I'm really quite drawn back by all of your unnecessary jabs and blows at me as a person intellectually. However, I won't hold it against you. I've learned a valuable characteristic that people have labeled 'maturity', and, fortunately for me, a few baseless, unsubstantiated insults aren't going to alter that. If being correct about an issue is a tragedy these days, bring on the trauma. First of all, I would like to say that you have most definatly been through a hell of a lot more than me. But, my point of saying the things about the things I have gone through is that it actually relates to the government and is impacted by it. Although I have high respect for you (in that catagory) for what you have gone through, it still doesn't have anything to do with the topic. But, thank you for sharing. Also, I really do apologize (and I'm not being sarcastic when I say this) that if I come off as a bitch from saying the thing I'm about to say, but I don't mean to. Obviously, I don't know the details about your family but your mom seems to have braught that upon herself (and, unfortunatly you, too because no one deserves that). Also, about the typos, that also has nothing to do with the topic. So... who cares? ![]() You are right, I shouldn't have stooped so slow as to shoot out personal blows. I aplogize for that, too. I just get really fired up about Bush and I tend to get that way when I lose my temper. Once again, I apologize for being so imature. And, I just did some research. Apparently you are correct about the popular vote. Once again, I do apologize. I should not have called you ignorant because obviously I have just made a fool out of myself and you deserve full credit for that. Although, I and many other believe that the governer of Florida (obviously Bush's brother) had a good amount of influence on the elections (at least of 2000). Now, I'm not saying that he rigged it somehow (by bribe or some other ways) (but I'm nto saying he didn't, either) but I most definatly believe that he pushed many people into voting for Bush. But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. Also Pennsylvania is a big part of the Electorial College as well because of its size and I'm proud to say that Kerry won that. (Sorry, just had to throw that in). At the place you go for gas is very inexpensive. The cheepest place we have around here is $2.18 I believe. So in your area, it might be very cheep. Most people around today would actualy consider that a merical. But in my area, it's very expensive. So, obviously, that would lead us to have different opinions on the rise of gas prices because it affects us differently. But it's very expensive for my mom at least and hard for us to deal with and yeah... Although the value of the dollar has increased since the 90's, I don't believe it has a great deal or at least not that much. Once again, I could be wrong but it's 12:24 in the morning and I'm not up to the research. And, of course the stock market has flunctuated. I agree with that, but not a great deal. It hasn't braught us down too far since the thirties. I will tell you that I know little to nothing about the stock market because I have no dealings with it and I haven't really learned about it. Although, I think everyone would know if it had really had that much of a change because it would be on the news a lot. So, I'm not saying he's stabalized it or he didn't. All I know is that it hasn't really been too bad since we got out of the depression. About the UN thing.. I did tell you that I didn't know anything about the UN. So yes, I made that clear off the bat. Of course I won't have a clear come-back for what you said because I'm not going to spend my time researching the UN. Okay, now it's 12:30 and I'm totally ready for bed. I will just post what I have here. If you did not read what I had said in part of my last entry, I will repeat it: I am thirteen. I'm not expected to be as mature as someone out of highschool. It just doesn't happen. So, please do not hold that against me. And, for my age, I am intelligent in areas and I am thought to be a good debater... during the day. Maybe not at midnight or whenever I posted the last thing. But yeah... Or.. I could just be a good debater against other 8th graders. Who knows? But I will tell you that I'm not expected to be a match against someone who's already graduated at least highschool. So, thank you for your time and once again, I do apologize for any stupidity or ignorance I threw in my last reply. Hopefully, you'll forgive me and I have come to realize that I can apparently be a foolish little girl at times. |
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I don't like Bush. There, I STATED IT. I HATE bush. Infact, his last name doesn't deserve to be capitalized.
bush bush bush But I don't think Karry was the best person to represent the democrats eaither. ((please excuse me if i don't have the best spelling and grammer tonight. i'm really really tired.)) See, in the Election bush brought up idiotic things about ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL MARRAGES. You know what, that's their own buisness. If they need an abortion, then the woman should be able to choose so. And does Bush has a penis ((but its questionable.)) and bush wouldn't know what pregnancy is like. AND will never have to experiance it either, nor will have to make the abortion choice, b/c in the end he doesn't have a vagina. And with SAME-SEX marrages, if two people love eachother, that's their buisness and its a BEAUTIFUL thing. ON TOP OF THAT, why did people focus on those two things? I mean, we have a WAR GOING ON! THAT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ARE AGAINST. Plus, i'd like to know how it feels to be bush, i mean, knowing that almost half of the country DOES NOT SUPPORT HIM. He won, but not by a lot. editttt;;; the no child left behind thing.. is shit. and two whom left the lenthy stuff about their childhood life about being abused and having not the greatest mother in the world, yes, it happens to people. And i'm sorry it does. Here's my FAMILY's STORY: --> Grandfather: His father died when my grandfather was about 16, my great uncle, 6. --->FATHER: Abused by his mother, HIS ENTIRE LIFE. Now she just mentally and verbably abuses him. She used to beat him to the extream. She once stabbed my grandfather with a fire poker. And two years ago my grandfather died due to her "accidently" not calling for an abulence even though my grandfather fell and couldn't get up for SIX HOURS. ((died from kidney falure. met him several times, but none that i can accually remember)) --> MOTHER: My grandfather cheated on his wife and would sleep with other women and BRING THEM INTO THE HOUSE, smoked pot, was a severe alcoholic, and was completly screwed-up. ---> ME: My father was an alcoholic for a huge chunk of my life. STILL DRINKS. just is careful not to get drunk anymore. i deal with depression, cutting, self-image, i mentally abuse myself, and the list goes on. I COULD CONTINUE THIS FOREVER. BUT it doesn't tell you ANYTHING about why i hate bush. |
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QUOTE(CEP @ May 12 2004, 7:53 PM) He's slow, but he doesn't suck. Let's see you handle something as big as 9/11 and pass with flying colors. - Chinkieeyedpnoi ^^exactly... you want a safe america? yea well there hasnt been any terrorist threat since 9/11. i think he's doin one heck of a job protecting this country- and last time i checked, that's what a presidents job is. |
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QUOTE(soccerlover9997 @ May 12 2005, 12:46 AM) ^^exactly... you want a safe america? yea well there hasnt been any terrorist threat since 9/11. i think this has been stated before. ![]() QUOTE i think he's doin one heck of a job protecting this country- and last time i checked, that's what a presidents job is. A president's job is not necessarily to protect his country, it is to defend his country.... last time i checked we are on the offense (invading Iraq), not very good protection if ya ask me. ![]() |
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QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 12 2005, 8:39 AM) Actually, I haven't noticed anything too permanent nor devastating. Well, of course there was that major drift away from France, but as you've probably heard, the bonds are once again in place. If you were specific and meant our ties with Turkey are wavering since the War in Iraq, that may be more accurate. However, it was been polled that the majority of the Turks are in support of the War despite the resistance its government put up. One of the reasons why I don't agree with the whole thing is that at the end, we refused their help. I'll get back to you on this if you're interested in discussing more about it. Now then, I want to get into specifics about "allies". The US has allies so long as we give them aid in these forms and more: protecting them from the Nazis, giving them money to clean up their backyard, and drawing Soviets' attention away from them. Such are "allies". As you can see this is no more than a relationship of give and take. Of course, I'm not saying that the US gives more than take, not at all, I'm only saying that such relationships can never be trusted to stay the status quo. QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 12 2005, 8:39 AM) A president's job is not necessarily to protect his country, it is to defend his country.... last time i checked we are on the offense (invading Iraq), not very good protection if ya ask me. ![]() I seriously hope you're not saying that presidents can defend a nation from his backyard... QUOTE(LiLBabe91800 @ May 11 2005, 11:46 PM) See, in the Election bush brought up idiotic things about ABORTION and HOMOSEXUAL MARRAGES. You know what, that's their own buisness. If they need an abortion, then the woman should be able to choose so. And does Bush has a penis ((but its questionable.)) and bush wouldn't know what pregnancy is like. AND will never have to experiance it either, nor will have to make the abortion choice, b/c in the end he doesn't have a vagina. And with SAME-SEX marrages, if two people love eachother, that's their buisness and its a BEAUTIFUL thing. ON TOP OF THAT, why did people focus on those two things? I mean, we have a WAR GOING ON! THAT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ARE AGAINST. Plus, i'd like to know how it feels to be bush, i mean, knowing that almost half of the country DOES NOT SUPPORT HIM. He won, but not by a lot. Why don't you head over to the "abortion right or wrong" and "homosexuals" threads to see what people said there instead? There are a lot of different views on the matter. Many people agree with Bush, many don't. I'm not saying that I don't agree with you, I do partly, but I am saying that there are point of views to consider. Not everyone was against the War. Lets not make false generalizations for the sake of exaggeration. QUOTE(LiLBabe91800 @ May 11 2005, 11:46 PM) Really? How about you grace us with an alternative. I'm sure there are plenty of alternatives, better ones in fact, but lets just hear one of them instead of criticism for the current system. Oh, Justin... those were looooong posts. Haven't seen you in debate since... well.. for a while now. Anyway, I'm with ya. |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2005, 9:28 AM) If you were specific and meant our ties with Turkey are wavering since the War in Iraq, that may be more accurate. However, it was been polled that the majority of the Turks are in support of the War despite the resistance its government put up. Well saying the majority of Turks are in support of the war is the same as saying the majority of Americans are in support of Bush, is is still debatable either way. QUOTE Now then, I want to get into specifics about "allies". The US has allies so long as we give them aid in these forms and more: protecting them from the Nazis, giving them money to clean up their backyard, and drawing Soviets' attention away from them. Such are "allies". As you can see this is no more than a relationship of give and take. Of course, I'm not saying that the US gives more than take, not at all, I'm only saying that such relationships can never be trusted to stay the status quo. True, but even though we have so called "support" and tie-ins from this give and take relationship, no one is really backing us up on this. I read somethig funny not too long ago and it said something to the extent "When the French start accusing us of arrogance and the Germans don't want to go to war, we must be doing domething wrong." QUOTE No of course not, but that does not mean to say this "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq. If only George W. Bush would show such eagerness for his battles with the truth, American soldiers might not be dying at all right now. When it comes to Iraqi ambushes of Americans in Iraq, Bush says "Bring them on," but when it comes to the American public asking questions about the so-called evidence used to persuade the country to go to war, Bush can only say, "Go away!" |
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QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 12 2005, 9:55 AM) Well saying the majority of Turks are in support of the war is the same as saying the majority of Americans are in support of Bush, is is still debatable either way. They were in support of the War. Any article you read about their sentiments would be that the Turks were surprised that their government resisted helping the US. While we are divided about the matter, Turks were expecting their government to help. Not really debatable in that sense. QUOTE True, but even though we have so called "support" and tie-ins from this give and take relationship, no one is really backing us up on this. I read somethig funny not too long ago and it said something to the extent "When the French start accusing us of arrogance and the Germans don't want to go to war, we must be doing domething wrong." Ah the French. Since when has the French been anything but critical of US politics? Even quite a few Frenchmen know they have their own elite idiots, but you never hear those kinds of comments publicized. No, only criticism of foreigners get to the front page. As for the Germans, well, I don't know much about them to say anything, so I won't. ![]() But anyhow, why must we be doing something wrong by standards set by those who can't ever admit they're... wrong? As Justin said, that kind of "holier than thou level [of thought] is skewed". QUOTE No of course not, but that does not mean to say this "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq. If only George W. Bush would show such eagerness for his battles with the truth, American soldiers might not be dying at all right now. When it comes to Iraqi ambushes of Americans in Iraq, Bush says "Bring them on," but when it comes to the American public asking questions about the so-called evidence used to persuade the country to go to war, Bush can only say, "Go away!" LOL, I thought that was kind of funny. "Bring them on" was issued to those who attempted to attack US troops in Iraq. In the same speech, I believe, he also promised punishment to "anybody who wants to harm American troops". So really, I don't think "bring it on" was meant to challenge any powers, except that of those who wants to hurt US military men and women. He simply has confidence in our troops. Though it was rather... "irresponsible" of him to say it (that's why I thought it was funny), I can understand why it was said. Anyway, if Bush hasn't convinced you of anything, what about Colin Powell? |
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The competency of the current administration.
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I don't like bush I think kerry should've won.
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Way to substantiate your position. Effectively done.
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colin powell isn't in the current administration anymore, so...that really has no point if you wanna talk current.
i actually just did a report on condoleeza rice, so if you wanna debate her relevancy to her job, that's ok. and yes justin, nice to see you back :] |
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No, no, Colin Powell gave answers before he wasn't "current", in other words, before he resigned. There were speeches. I guess you'd have to research them if you missed them.
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Um. I don't think a bunch of kids on their home computers and go about calling the president of the US an idiot, etc.
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ May 10 2005, 5:31 PM) Would you like to know why Bush is a competent president? Millions of voters said so. Furthermore: Two planes careened into the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001. It's been over three years since that time; the gas price has only risen 12 cents on a national average, the stock market is intact, and the United States is finally realizing the failure that is the United Nations (just as other world-power 'alliances' toppled in the past). Why is Bush a good president? 1) You still have your nice little house in suburbia, with your SUV/minivan, and your dog. 2) You (or your kids) are still receiving an education. 3) Normality has been quite restored (considering everything that has been thrown at President Bush in his term). I mean honestly -- one year into the first half of his Oval Office occupancy, and arguably the worst tragedy in the history of the United States (committed on our soil) takes place. If you'd ask me (a legitimate person to be asked), I'd say Bush has done a stand-up job at keeping this country where it needs to be. of course you're going to point out all of the positive things that Bush has done for our country, since, well, you like him. But you must realize all of the bad things about him. 1.) he has absolutely no charisma. listening to him give a speech makes me feel like an idiot because quite frankly i cant even understand what the f**k he's trying to say. its like listening to a monkey. leaves me scratching my head every time. 2.) he started a war that could've been prevented. war is not the solution for everything. 3.) he is oil hungry and wants to drill in Alaska 4.) he gave a tax reduction to the upper-middle class citizens because they were the ones that voted for him in the first place 5.) he made false accusations about the so-called "weapons of mass destruction" and isn't man enough to admit that he made a mistake 6.) he didn't catch osama bin laden when he had the chance to. 7.) he definitely needs to get his priorities straight because after 9/11, the first thing he should've done was try to go after the CAUSE of the whole tragedy. 8.) he's a good for nothing, southern hick that is closed-minded and is a clone of his father [my opinion...but its true...] truly, the bad things about Bush overrule the good things. i cant wait till the next election---ABB!!!! go back to texas. |
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