The CB Revolution, it has begun Options

[*Azarel*]

It's amusing, you think some members don't have tact, don't know what tact even is. Most obviously, you're probably referring to me.

Has it occured to you that I simply don't care about other people's feelings? I quoth, "Why should we have to sugarcoat everything because some people can't handle it?"

And for your information (actually Brie's), I'm neither bitter nor jealous, although it may not let off that way. G'day.

[Where We Are]

^ Hm. I wasn't referring to you. I don't really see you post.

But I did see your application. Yeah, if you don't care about other people's feelings maybe you should give up vying for being a mod. Mods are suppose to sugarcoat things as to not upset the crowd. I don't
think you can handle it, especially if your public philosophy is, "Why should we have to sugarcoat everything because some people can't handle it?"

7 Highly Effective Habits of Influential People.
How to Win Friends and Influence People

Look them up at your local bookstore, they'll help you long-term wise.

[xTINAA]

^ Hm. I wasn't referring to you. I don't really see you post.

But I did see your application. Yeah, if you don't care about other people's feelings maybe you should give up vying for being a mod. Mods are suppose to sugarcoat things as to not upset the crowd. I don't
think you can handle it, especially if your public philosophy is, "Why should we have to sugarcoat everything because some people can't handle it?"

7 Highly Effective Habits of Influential People.
How to Win Friends and Influence People

Look them up at your local bookstore, they'll help you long-term wise.

First off, who are you? You post as if you know cB because you've been here oh so long. Secondly, get your facts straight. She quoted that. And from who? Me. And also, she is no longer vying to be on the staff. Thirdly, she did not say she was speaking to you. There are multiple members she could be speaking to.

[*Azarel*]

I don't post on this subject (much) anymore because there really is no point to. Beating a dead horse, yeah. Especially if nobody wants to answer my original question because they're not supposed to or don't want to.

As a sidenote, I'm curious to know who you are, but I doubt I'll find out. But anyway-- I wasn't seriously trying for a mod position. Did it to get people to stop asking me to, like I did in January.

And also, thanks for "caring," but no thanks. I don't need to read books to learn how to be influential or to make friends. I have enough of both as is to be satisfied. I'm manipulative enough.

[xquizit]

If you all are so concerned with moving CB in a better direction as stated in a lot of your applications, then what is with all the whining and negative attitudes, seriously. Especially with modding, we were looking for people who were genuine in their interest with CB and striving to making it a more positive experience for all its members. And some of you are proving that this is not the case.

What CB needs is more members who genuinely care about moving it in a more positive direction and who want to contribute something to the community. The whining, bickering, negativity, and condescending attitudes are not helping matters.

[sunissed14127]

Err....wow.

[Miss[x]Tiff]

First  off, who are you? You post as if you know cB because you've been here oh so long. Secondly, get your facts straight. She quoted that. And from who? Me. And also, she is no longer vying to be on the staff. Thirdly, she did not say she was speaking to you. There are multiple members she could be speaking to.

The person could of been lurking around you know.
I lurked my first like 2 months then joined.

[Where We Are]

I'm sorry my post count is lower than 50. Oh My God I should like be a dwindling newbie buffoon that gets no say in the community!
Wahwahwah!


People here protesting for more community rights yet the people here pick on their newbies. This is an observation I find most dissapointing. You shouldn't base assumptions on someone's post count, as they may be someone smarter than the accuser in the long run anyways. Of course, I'm not smarter than most people, I just observe and tell what's on my mind. And right now, I see a community disunified. Disunification = not fun. I thought cB was suppose to be fun. cB is the community. So make cB more fun and less dramatic.

[sammi rules you]

edit;; nevermind i got confused. o_o

[xTINAA]

The person could of been lurking around you know.
I lurked my first like 2 months then joined.

That's nice. But it really doesn't have to do with my question on who they are. Sure they could have been lurking, but who are they?

I'm sorry my post count is lower than 50. Oh My God I should like be a dwindling newbie buffoon that gets no say in the community!
Wahwahwah!
People here protesting for more community rights yet the people here pick on their newbies. This is an observation I find most dissapointing. You shouldn't base assumptions on someone's post count, as they may be someone smarter than the accuser in the long run anyways. Of course, I'm not smarter than most people, I just observe and tell what's on my mind. And right now, I see a community disunified. Disunification = not fun. I thought cB was suppose to be fun. cB is the community. So make cB more fun and less dramatic.

Well every community is going to go into a rut much like cB is now and is going to be disunified. People are always going to be unhappy and cB hasn't been fun for quite a while now. It's not just because of this added so called drama. By the way, you still haven't answered the question, WHO ARE YOU? Is it that hard to give a name or anything?

[Skyline Drive]

I'm sorry my post count is lower than 50. Oh My God I should like be a dwindling newbie buffoon that gets no say in the community!
Wahwahwah!
People here protesting for more community rights yet the people here pick on their newbies. This is an observation I find most dissapointing. You shouldn't base assumptions on someone's post count, as they may be someone smarter than the accuser in the long run anyways. Of course, I'm not smarter than most people, I just observe and tell what's on my mind. And right now, I see a community disunified. Disunification = not fun. I thought cB was suppose to be fun. cB is the community. So make cB more fun and less dramatic.

I feel as if you are an undercover member because you are right.. ? Why not just post on your real username. Someone who just lurks around wouldn't have such a strong opinion about CB.

[*suddenly she*]

^ Hm. I wasn't referring to you. I don't really see you post.

But I did see your application. Yeah, if you don't care about other people's feelings maybe you should give up vying for being a mod. Mods are suppose to sugarcoat things as to not upset the crowd. I don't
think you can handle it, especially if your public philosophy is, "Why should we have to sugarcoat everything because some people can't handle it?"

7 Highly Effective Habits of Influential People.
How to Win Friends and Influence People

Look them up at your local bookstore, they'll help you long-term wise.

that's a pretty good book, but that sort of stuff is pretty much just common sense. tactics i've been using ever since i started arguing about homework passes in third grade.

anywho, you might have a post count lower than 50, but that doesn't mean anything. from what i can tell, you're an intelligent person. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'd advise you not to. :)

and yes, i am also wondering who you are.

[sadolakced acid]

Acid, your reasons to post a Revolution thread just so you can go out w/ a big bang should get you suspended. Luckily, I'm no mod here. You already applied w/ your views. We can all see that the admins have read your application, and they obviously chose to not agree with your opinion. Now you choose to deny rejection. All you do is instigate, instigate, instigate. You're essentially one of many catalysts to cB's potential decline. Basically, you are a hypocrite. No, too harsh, you're not a hypocrite. You just start massive trouble, 'tis all.
cB isn't going to die.
If someone leaves it's not going to shatter windows here.
No one is the center of cB except the creator of it. Remember that. Teens watch Real World on TV 'cuz it's entertaining, the moment MTV releases a Real World movie, it bombs. Why? It costs money! Now who's paying for the massive bandwidth needed for cB? When money is added into the equation, the balance tips quite predictably.

Gosh if you want to start trouble you should just leave. Trouble ain't gonna help recover cB to what it once was. =P Either stop looking at this place like it's a globe that needs some imperialism and start having some fun, or convert your time on cB for studying or reading a book. Duh.

let's break this down. Why? because i feel like being mean.


1. Acid, your reasons to post a Revolution thread just so you can go out w/ a big bang should get you suspended.
wow, wonderful idea there. i wish i would have thought of that! a member is going to quit, so let's supend them for a day or two! that will teach them. If you actually read the first few lines of my 'revolution' thread post, you'd realize it's not really a revolution.

2. Luckily, I'm no mod here.
luckily, but not for me. for CB. because if i, a member, was supsended by a mod, that would make me a martyr. the surest way to be a demogogue is to be a martyr.

3. You already applied w/ your views.
ah yes, i did, didn't i? do you find it hard to believe someone can throw away thier precious mod application for something they think should happen? My application followed the instructions- 'how would you benefit CB if you were a mod?' sure, my application had an agenda, but so what?

4. We can all see that the admins have read your application, and they obviously chose to not agree with your opinion.
we can, can we. so, who published backstage for everyone? we cannot all see.

5. Now you choose to deny rejection.
well thank you justin. could you tell me what i'm going to post next? since you know me so well. i don't choose to deny rejection. deny rejection? what the heck? the first time i brought it up was to the mods. the second (my application) was to the admin. The third (this thread) was to the members of CB. tell me, how, is this denying rejection? if i denied rejection, i'd still be in the 'moderator performance' thread, trying to convince them.

6. All you do is instigate, instigate, instigate.
wow... i see... i am CB's troublemaker. i provoke the trouble here in CB. i make threads with the intent of getting members to form a 'mob' ALL the time! thank you for showing me this. So all my 2000+ posts are all instigating, because all i do is instigate, instigate, instigate.

7. You're essentially one of many catalysts to cB's potential decline.
so you say i catalyze it. but i can't catalyze something that's not happening. I don't go posting numerous threads about how people should leave CB. The goal of my threads are only to bring CB down faster. That's why i'm suggesting change and reform, because we all know reform is the fastest way to bring down something. gosh-golly, who would have known. Changing as times change is bad! wow. you know, you could get the nobel in economics for that.

8. Basically, you are a hypocrite.
wow! i'm a hypocrite!! whoohoo! so i'm telling people to do things i don't do myself. for instance, i'm saying make a suggestions forum when i don't make one myself. gosh, such a hypocrite! how the hell am i a hypocrite? what did i say should be done that i don't do myself, but could do? exactly. maybe you should learn what a hypocrite is... it may help when calling someone one.

9. No, too harsh, you're not a hypocrite.
well, at least you correct yourself. but it's not too harsh, it's abosolutly the wrong use of the word hypocrite.

10. You just start massive trouble, 'tis all.
kill the liberals! change is bad!

11. cB isn't going to die.
everything dies eventually. when i say CB is in decline, i don't really mean it will die. i mean the content is becoming spam and mush. now, you'll say 'well CB's a web forum and web forums can't die because they aren't properly alive', but then you'll have missed the point.

12. If someone leaves it's not going to shatter windows here.
of course not, there are no windows in CB. nice making statements that can't possiblly be wrong. hey! let me have a try! "A comes after B when putting things alphabetically". whoohooo!

13. No one is the center of cB except the creator of it. Remember that.
no. no one is the center of CB period. not even the creator. it's a community. there is no center of the community. There is, however, a glue. this isn't the creator in this case, the glue is the sense of community. which CB is loosing.

14. No one is the center of cB except the creator of it. Remember that. Teens watch Real World on TV 'cuz it's entertaining, the moment MTV releases a Real World movie, it bombs.
wow, a degree in early childhood psycology, and a pop culture expert to boot. i wanna be just like you when i grow up.

15. Why? It costs money! Now who's paying for the massive bandwidth needed for cB?
who's paying? three things:
1. google ads
2. jusun
3. sales from the store, donations, etc.
anyways; i've yet to see jusun beg for donations. and this is a large site that must cost much to run. i've seen smaller sites constantly beg. therefore, either: 1- the google ads and sales/donations, etc. completely cover the cost, or 2- jusun has no problem footing the bill.

16- whatever. Gosh if you want to start trouble you should just leave. Trouble ain't gonna help recover cB to what it once was. =P Either stop looking at this place like it's a globe that needs some imperialism and start having some fun, or convert your time on cB for studying or reading a book. Duh.

if i wanted to start trouble i would stay. trouble isn't going to- but the reaction to trouble certainly can. I don't look at this like a place that needs imperialism, or a demogogue. I'm just a concerned member- i care about the future of CB. and if i do look at this like a globe needing imperialism (very bad analogy, mind you- no correlation to the topic), then who the hell are you to tell me to quit CB?




apparently you have so totally captured my intent by reading a few posts of mine. you should be like Dr. Phil, you know. have your own TV show. 'gauge the intentions of members based on thier posts!' of course, i doubt you've read all my posts.

I am not trying to start a revolution. that was just a pretty name to give this reform effort. I could care less about CB, but i choose not to. I do care if CB becomes the haven of 12 year old spammers. and that is why i am being 'radical'

other users may not share my views. other users my think me stupid, etc. but whatever others think, it is what they think, and it doesn't change anything about why i did this.

I did not post this thread to bring down CB, no matter what you think. I posted it because i saw some ways that CB could be better, and i wanted members to see them, not mods, not admin, but MEMBERS. and that is why i posted this.

anyways; i thank you for your wonderful attack on my motives.

[Where We Are]

^ Too bad I didn't read it. Don't break down arguments unless you're in debate or replying to someone who wants to argue back.


If someone else wants to, they can read it for me and agree or disagree w/ him. That way I can just take the community's word for it. Good idea?


To add: I saw somewhere in another thread..maybe this thread, that Acid said it's not really a revolution. Don't call it a revolution then. Duh.


<wahhh edit>

Why does everyone think I'm an alias?? I hail from AdultSwim! You guys should come over, we're all bunches of fun there. But of course, if you must know my history: I started visiting cB around September last year. It was good fun to read. Of course I didn't register, didn't feel like posting. I find this disunification saddening, though. It was more fun to read positive things than negative.

[sadolakced acid]

glad to see you read a topics posts before you issue your decree on it.

it's not too bad you didn't read it. it makes my job much easier.

[Where We Are]

glad to see you read a topics posts before you issue your decree on it.

it's not too bad you didn't read it.  it makes my job much easier.

I didn't issue a decree on your breakdown. I simply didn't read it. I neither gave it a positive nor negative opinion. Actually, I asked the community to tell me if it's a good idea or not.

I read your first post. I think I'm allowed to reply my opinion on it, which is what I did.

[sadolakced acid]

i doubt you read my first post. either that, or you read it, then just went into some sort of unfounded claim-making mode.

you make claims that have nothing to do with that original post.

[Where We Are]

^ Whatwhatwhatwhatwhat? I stated my opinion on this revolution of yours. The suggestions forum will surely be approved, the verbal warning thread is created, and your mod revision system was fatally shot down and rejected.

And then I said you deserve to be suspended for making such a ruckus before you leave. A big bang, yes? I remember you saying that in one of your posts.

I think I stated my opinion very well, thank you though for your concern in my ability to read.

[yukichan]

some points u made r good..
and i disagree with the idea of the ppl voting..if the people voted for who becomes a mod, the unpopular ppl wont have a chance...

[Just_Dream]

Might I add, moderators are members as well. There seems to be a partition amongst the community, moderators vs. members. I know this is a minor issue, but some of you (term used loosely) are acting as if we're "powerful" people whom would strike down anyone that opposes them. And I really don't like how some of us say that we hold "power," when all we've got are privileges and just a member title.

As for the voting thing, didn't Derrington (I know your name's Justin, but I hope I can call you that as well, even though we've never spoken personally--it sounds like an interesting name :] ) state that he wasn't insisting on the idea of having a voting system for moderator selection? Who brought up that idea? As much as some may want this system, to a certain extent it is a popularity contest. I use the term "some" loosely. Right now, what I don't want happening is for the new addition of moderators to feel like they shouldn't have been selected. [I'm not directing this at you, Derrington, but towards those suggesting the voting system.]

As for the suggestions forum, perhaps that's not that bad an idea, only because initially, we (moderators) are always open to suggestions, whether it's by PM or creation of a topic.

[EXPLO5ION]

If, in the future, the Admins or staff decide to let members vote, everyone who wants to be a moderator could PM an Admin their application. Then someone could just copy and paste the applications into a thread, with out anyones names. Then there would be a poll at the top.

The idea is somewhat time consuming though.

oh dear. again, I told you guys the aftermath was going to be interesting!!! lol, ok...but here i go..

You know, you had some pretty good points there. Like the suggestions forum. And also about the verbal abuse people throw out around here, unfortunately some mods do. And i wrote somethan in my application like that point you made about mods posting and reading the whole section. like maybe one or two mods for the writing forum, debate forum, ect...so cb can always be at its best. The thing is, i'm sure those changes will occur overtime. If you think about it, this is a fairly new site. And the amount of space and ways we are able to impact this site is phenomeonal. As for this whole revolution thing, it will all change in time. No need to rush it.

But I do agree with you.

This post has been edited by simplicityxx: Apr 26 2005, 10:55 PM

[sadolakced acid]

what stops members from posting which one they are?

or telling them on AIM?

anyways,
(yes you can call me derrington. )

i'm not too sure where it came from... 2 or 3 page, i think.

[xTINAA]

some points u made r good..
and i disagree with the idea of the ppl voting..if the people voted for who becomes a mod, the unpopular ppl wont have a chance...

That's not always true. Not everything has to be about popularity.

[EXPLO5ION]

^Good Point. Lol, I didn't think that far. Hmm.. if any staff member or admin finds out that one of the applicants have announced which of the applications was theirs, their application would be deleted.

Of course on Aim, its different since we can't watch everyones' conversation.

Trust, Integrity?

[*mzkandi*]

^Good Point. Lol, I didn't think that far. Hmm.. if any staff member or admin finds out that one of the applicants have announced which of the applications was theirs, their application would be deleted.

Of course on Aim, its different since we can't watch everyones' conversation.

Trust, Integrity?

I was going comment on that earlier. That idea you came up with is too flawed and micon (Jusun) said himself that the possiblity of a voting system is not likely to ever happen. Who bought up that idea anyway? Meh...doesnt matter