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 Mar 25 2005, 04:33 PM
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 cheeeesy like theres no tomorrow  Group: Member Posts: 3,316 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 37,142  |
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 4:21 PM) how could her heart stop beating if she is not running on life support, or any machines, but a feeding tube? HER HEART STILL BEATS, she still responds to movement, she knows that there is a balloon dangling over her, there still is hope. the husband has nothing else to do with her, he moved on already, why make decisions for her? her mother should have full responsibility for her, considering she did bring her into the world.  i totally agree with you. i also think there is hope but think about it , it would take like another 15 years for her to do something else like start talking. i mean by thenn her parents would of died. i myself wouldnt want my daughter waiting in a bed for 30 years to die. i mean i would say let her die but i wouldnt want her to die by starving like some other means. and i also dont think the husband should have any say. its her parents that should. The only way he should have any say in what happens to her if they have kids together which i dont think they do but correct me if im wrong. |
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Mar 25 2005, 04:40 PM
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 i've never wanted anything rationale. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,449 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 19,045 |
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 2:21 PM) how could her heart stop beating if she is not running on life support, or any machines, but a feeding tube? HER HEART STILL BEATS, she still responds to movement, she knows that there is a balloon dangling over her, there still is hope. the husband has nothing else to do with her, he moved on already, why make decisions for her? her mother should have full responsibility for her, considering she did bring her into the world. you changed your mind again i see. and again, doctors have been quoted saying that there is no hope. obviously he moved on, his wife was practicially dead, do you blame him?! he isn't making decisions for her, she said that she would never want to be in vegetative state. and HE IS HER LEGAL GUARDIAN, her parents legally have no say. the reason why this case is soo big is because the parents are trying to bring the gov't into something that it has no say in. |
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Mar 25 2005, 04:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,575 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 93,957 |
...do you guys not get this? THERE IS NOT HOPE. show me some medical facts to back up your statements, because what you're saying is just b.s. without them. she responds to movements and her heart beats because that part of her brain works, but the part that controls her thinking, feelings, and emotions does not.
and angel_cece, show me where you got your fact that shows "there are survivors" please. lastly, legally her husband is her guardian. it doesn't matter whether or not you THINK her parents should have the say, because guess what? by law, her husband is the one in control. edit: rachel beat me to posting this, so sorry if it seems a lot like her post above mine  .
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Mar 25 2005, 04:43 PM
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I personally think that they should just let the whole thing go. She wanted to die naturally, so let her die naturally.
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Mar 25 2005, 07:14 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
OMG i totally agree with you!
there is HOPE that she will wake up. there's also HOPE that a neutrono will strike her DNA, mutate it, and cause her to grow a third arm. |
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Mar 25 2005, 07:32 PM
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cheeeesy like theres no tomorrow Group: Member Posts: 3,316 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 37,142 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Mar 25 2005, 7:14 PM) OMG i totally agree with you! there is HOPE that she will wake up. there's also HOPE that a neutrono will strike her DNA, mutate it, and cause her to grow a third arm. lol |
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Mar 26 2005, 01:30 AM
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The way I see it is she's practically dead, but her organs are still working. Before she was brain-dead, she already told her husband that she didn't want to be in a vegetated state, so why not just listen to what she wanted and let her go? I mean, she's not going to recover, so there's really no point in keeping the tubes in. If they let her go, she'll be in a better place anyways.
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Mar 26 2005, 02:01 AM
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 in love. unfortunately Group: Member Posts: 459 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 112,979 |
I think that they should go with what she supposedly said she would want to do in this case which is die naturally, because after 15 years, i hate to be harsh, but why not? I did a project on this once and its true, some people do live when doctors think they won't recover, but after 15 years the chances are kind of slim. And she did, i *think* say she wanted to die naturally. I honestly think everyone should have to sign a paper telling what they would like done were this to happen to them, so we don't have to go through ordeals like this, but that's just my opinion.
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Mar 26 2005, 02:40 AM
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There are no chances of her coming back at all. She is dead, but her breathing and heart still function. Her movements are more random than not, because her brain is...dead.
I say pull the plug. She's dead, and tax payers shouldn't have to pay for her or any others (I agree to public health care, but health care for the brain dead?! talk about stupid!) |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:47 AM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
but there's HOPE!
there's HOPE gandalf could raise her! |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:51 AM
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If Gandalf can raise her, then theres hope that Ghandi can be raised from the dead!
Sweet!! :) |
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Mar 26 2005, 03:00 AM
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*blink blink* Group: Member Posts: 175 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,585 |
I just saw on Yahoo! frontpage that she's going into her "last hours". It's kinda sad.
I just don't get why it's her case that's such a big.. deal right now. Lots of people probably had to die... I don`t know. I`m not well "ed-u-ma-ka-ted". |
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Mar 26 2005, 03:07 AM
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 Holla if ya hate me Group: Member Posts: 2,386 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 80,819 |
Terri Schiavo is dead - brain dead that is. The Dems played this card smart, I don't know whether to pat them on the back or be scared thinking they may play every card right. However sad it is that Terri Schiavo is essentially being starved to death - though I believe she is highly sedated? - she is already dead. She should have been dead 5 days ago - or even 5 years - by an injection or something quick and painless, not being staved. The Dems were smart to play possum on this issue. It's a no winner, and it's wrong. For the party that screams about the sanctity of marriage, the GOP is not letting this husband decide his wife's fate - and honestly, how many of you would want to remain a vegetable, I know I wouldn't. Pull the plug, take my life insurance money and have a party. It's not anyone's business but her husbands, and even if it was her parent's business (which it's not) they had some 15 years to do something about it. Let the woman die, she deserves as much. We can only hope for the best.
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Mar 26 2005, 12:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 34 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 105,425 |
injecting her with with a quick and painless toxin would be considered assisted suicide, or murder.
What they do is they remove life support so the person dies of natural causes (like not being able to breathe because they unplugged the breather). Its what they do alot of time |
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Mar 26 2005, 01:27 PM
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i've never wanted anything rationale. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,449 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 19,045 |
^exactly. which is why it is ridiculus that this whole ordeal got soo much publicity. the parents really just need to accept that their daughter is not going to come back and to let the husband do what it right. the gov't never needed to come into this
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Mar 26 2005, 01:30 PM
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 ¢¾ Wanting it. ¢¾ Group: Member Posts: 2,060 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 39,234 |
QUOTE(clarissa @ Mar 25 2005, 4:43 PM) I personally think that they should just let the whole thing go. She wanted to die naturally, so let her die naturally. die naturally? YOU THINK STARVING SOMEONE IS NATURAL? NATURAL IS WHEN YOU JUST DIE. |
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Mar 26 2005, 01:31 PM
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 the Ray... it filters through Group: Member Posts: 575 Joined: Dec 2004 Member No: 76,081 |
I think they should let her die... I wouldn't wanna live like an empty shell and racking up the hospital bills.
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Mar 26 2005, 01:55 PM
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Running Group: Member Posts: 596 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 96,064 |
Hrmm... Dont really know if this can be related to part of the post... 2 childern were protesting with thier parents I think one was aged 11 and one was 14 got arrested along with their parents infront of that hospital...
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Mar 26 2005, 01:56 PM
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¢¾ Wanting it. ¢¾ Group: Member Posts: 2,060 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 39,234 |
QUOTE(hosing @ Mar 26 2005, 1:55 PM) Hrmm... Dont really know if this can be related to part of the post... 2 childern were protesting with thier parents I think one was aged 11 and one was 14 got arrested along with their parents infront of that hospital... yeah. they tried to feed her. |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:00 PM
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Holla if ya hate me Group: Member Posts: 2,386 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 80,819 |
QUOTE(Angel_Cece @ Mar 26 2005, 1:30 PM) die naturally? YOU THINK STARVING SOMEONE IS NATURAL? NATURAL IS WHEN YOU JUST DIE. Starving is a natural way of dying. Whats the point of being fed anyway? Your brain is mush, nothing but mashed potatoes in a shell. Might as well just let her starve... and leave. |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:17 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
starving sure is natural. dehydration is too.
if you get lost in the desert, or on a lifeboat, with no water and food and you die of thirst and hunger, then you have died of natural causes. some states do allow physician assisted suicide. a terminally ill patient and request for thier doctor to inject them with something that wil make them go into a coma and die. |
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Mar 26 2005, 04:21 PM
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^ i thought that was only legal in oregon.
QUOTE(Angel_Cece @ Mar 26 2005, 10:30 AM) die naturally? YOU THINK STARVING SOMEONE IS NATURAL? NATURAL IS WHEN YOU JUST DIE. like others have said, starving is nautral. but what i want to know is why you think she should be kept alive? there's no point to it. |
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Mar 26 2005, 04:33 PM
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i've never wanted anything rationale. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,449 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 19,045 |
QUOTE(william @ Mar 26 2005, 2:21 PM) ^ i thought that was only legal in oregon. like others have said, starving is nautral. but what i want to know is why you think she should be kept alive? there's no point to it. obviously because there is hope that jesus and god will save her...DUH 
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Mar 26 2005, 04:42 PM
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cheeeesy like theres no tomorrow Group: Member Posts: 3,316 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 37,142 |
yea shure if your poor and you starve its natural. but she does NOT have the ability to pull the plug on her own. i mean shes in a bed and cant move. tell me how its natural
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Mar 26 2005, 04:47 PM
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 E! Online Group: Member Posts: 302 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 47,082 |
QUOTE(william @ Mar 20 2005, 9:27 PM) i think they need to take (keep?) the feeding food out. the only reason why the family wants to keep her alive is just to keep her alive. she isn't going to get better, and i think the husband is doing the right thing by trying to put her out of her misery. actually...terri can't "feel" pain (if her mind is in that vegetative state) if the husband has a new family, he really shouldnt be making decisions for his old wife... i think...that the tube should not be pulled out. terri's family (when i say family..i'm talking about her parents, brothers, etc. not her husband) are very religious people - catholics, to be exact. what i'm getting at is...they most likely believe that terri will be healed through a miracle. another thing...terri can breathe. there has been evidence saying that she can respond to moving objects. if there is contradicting evidence, i think they should keep the tube in until everything is sorted out. |
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