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Michael Jackson, Innocent or guilty?
kisstharingz
post Mar 25 2005, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 25 2005, 3:59 PM)
What does autism have to do with this? And how do you know he's not mentally inept to decipher such a situation? You're responses have been rather ill-mannered, kid. Show some respect to those in the forum instead of responding with such rushed ignorance. I get where you're going with this, and, for the most part, I do agree with you, however, back up your replies.
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post Mar 25 2005, 07:21 PM
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can someone get this out of debate?

it's not a debate... there is no setup, or any sort of thing that qualifies it for debate, sans controversy.
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 08:14 PM
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no actually he didn't. Sorry to disappoint you. It was porn with women that had just turned 18, that's as low as he went, 18 year old FEMALES.

i didnt know he did that...yup pretty low if they had JUST turned 18
but i think he DID.
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 09:36 PM
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i sure dont.
People are just eating up lies and media influence like Pizza. dont belive everythign u hear
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(mzkandi @ Mar 25 2005, 12:26 PM)
innocent until proven guilty is what i say
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If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.
 
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post Mar 26 2005, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(perplexism @ Mar 25 2005, 9:57 AM)
meh, i don't even care much about the michael jackson case; i'm sorry.
haven't kept up with it... someone update me.
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Yeah, me too.

But from what I've heard, I'm skeptical.

But I believe that he is innocent until proven guilty also.
 
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post Mar 26 2005, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(nightmare4taki @ Mar 26 2005, 3:42 PM)
If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.
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Thats the way it seems isn't it.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:20 PM
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I dont believe it. I think that they are just trying to get some money. Heres my thought

OJ - Innocent
Kobe - Guilty
R.Kelly - Guilty
Micheal Jackson - Innocent
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:23 PM
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can someone move this to entertainment?
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(nightmare4taki @ Mar 25 2005, 8:42 PM)
If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.
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oh please, that is not true.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Mar 27 2005, 4:37 PM)
oh please, that is not true.
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Can you relate? Are you black? Have you ever had to deal with the legal system as an innocent party and still was treated as guilty? It is true. Wake up.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 27 2005, 6:44 PM)
Can you relate? Are you black? Have you ever had to deal with the legal system as an innocent party and still was treated as guilty? It is true. Wake up.
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and you wonder why there are racists in the world...
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Mar 27 2005, 6:52 PM)
and you wonder why there are racists in the world...
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So pointing out a societal injustice makes it ok for people to be racist?
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 27 2005, 6:44 PM)
So pointing out a societal injustice makes it ok for people to be racist?
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you are stereotyping can you honestly say that the only black man to get a fair trial was OJ simpson? its no mystery that people of color dont get the same treatment as whites but thats stereotyping

and im chinese
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(basick @ Mar 27 2005, 8:46 PM)
you are stereotyping can you honestly say that the only black man to get a fair trial was OJ simpson? its no mystery that people of color dont get the same treatment as whites but thats stereotyping

and im chinese
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Actually, I'm not. I'm not talking about OJ, because, as far as I'm concerned, he's guilty. What I am saying is that "people of the ebony hue" tend not to get treated as fairly in court as others. History has proven this time and again. For example, Rubin Carter, the great heavyweight (The Hurricane) and his imprisonment for murder.

I'm not sure how things are where you live and I'm not trying to make this an issue of race. Michael Jackson hasn't been a black man since Beat It (I keed, I keed). But seriously, down here in Texas, thats very much the case and the color line is as thick as the great wall, Basick (that was a playful pun since you said you were Chinese... nevermind).

Acid, I just wanted to know where you going with that comment.

TouchMyMonkey, I just wanted to let you know that it is true and, unfortunately, it is like that.

OJ- Guilty
Kobe- Innocent
R. Kelly- Guilty
Michael Jackson- Yes he's messed up in the head but any inappropiate activity with a child makes him guilty.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Mar 27 2005, 5:23 PM)
can someone move this to entertainment?
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i think this is more debate-ish.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:17 PM
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oh crap. im watching the news and they say they have evidence... an accuser (a young boy) knows what mj's penis looks like. they say the description fits mj's penis ohmy.gif
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:20 PM
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ok whatever

yo you said your cousin was Edmund Saunders, the uconn star.. well i heard he was signed by some NBDL team is he still inthe NBDL?
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(basick @ Mar 27 2005, 9:20 PM)
ok whatever

yo you said your cousin was Edmund Saunders, the uconn star.. well i heard he was signed by some NBDL team is he still inthe NBDL?
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Last I checked he was going to Howard for law.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:24 PM
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I think he's innocent.
If the kids were molested.. like 5 or 10 years ago.. how come they didn't bring it to court till now? I bet they're just in it for the money.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 27 2005, 10:15 PM)
Actually, I'm not. I'm not talking about OJ, because, as far as I'm concerned, he's guilty. What I am saying is that "people of the ebony hue" tend not to get treated as fairly in court as others. History has proven this time and again.
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Statistics also proves that crimes are more often committed by"people of the ebony hue".

I don't think it's "a societal injustice". If you can prove that Blacks are treated like they are guilty before proven innocent in a court house, in other words, the Black man was discriminated because of his color, then I can do no more than agree with you. But until then, what you say doesn't make sense. Keep in mind that I prefer an examples post civil rights movement era. I do not doubt that they exist, but I'm interested in how many cases you can come up with that can justify what you say. This will be a learning experience for me.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Mar 27 2005, 9:17 PM)
i think this is more debate-ish.
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well, it's more a controversial topic, not a debate.

right now we seem to be debating wheter blacks get fair treatment or not.
not about michael jackson.

the topic in itself sets itself up as a poll, not a debate..

anyways: i guesswhile it's here, i'll debate a bit about blacks and fair treatment.


Blacks have historically gotten worse treatment because of thier color. Even the "impartial" courts were biased.

take from the pre-civil war, in the north. if a judge ruled a black was an escaped slave, his payment for the case was 10 dollars. if the judge ruled a black was not an escaped slave, his payment for the case was 5 dollars.

racism was also prevalent. Frederick Douglass tells of how white ship's caulkers would refuse to work beside him because he was black. and this was in the north.

however, this started to change as black people got better treatment. (better than before).
they were gradually given rights, etc.

fast forwards to the 90s.

now, in the 90s, it has gone too far. Compensation to the fact that a person is black is being used.

being black is basically defined as a handicap, and black people are generally treated better when dealing with large coorporations. this is becasue a black person can sue a company for being racist, but when does a white man get to sue a company for racism?

so black people will get much better treatment in job selection, promotions, etc. in order to avoid getting a lawsuit.

however; when it comes to individuals, individuals in america believe they can say what they want because of the first ammendment. Therefore, individuals are more likely to be biased against blacks.

However: this is just a more likely. The jury has a stastistical chance of being biased against a black. however, this does not mean that if a black is brought to court, the jury will be biased against them.

just because more people drown in water when watermellons are ripe doesn't mean watermellons are the cause of drownings. It is because when watermellons are ripe, people are in the water more, because it's summer.

similarly, just because more blacks get a guilty sentence doesn't nessisarily mean there is a bias against blacks in the justice system.

it is more likey that blacks are more likely to be poor, and thus have to have a public defender instead of thier own lawyer. A public defender is more likely to do worse on a case.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 11:20 PM
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Acid, you explained in a short reply what I had to write for an entrance exam in 1000 words. Props. That also opens up the job placement, standardized test and application argument but thats a whole new thread entirely.

Back to Michael Jackson...

On paper, no color issue, the Smooth Criminal is just that.
 
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post Mar 27 2005, 11:39 PM
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thanks.

alright, about michael jackson... is there really a debate right now? there aren't really that many facts avalible to us (the public) right now...
 
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post Mar 28 2005, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 27 2005, 10:20 PM)
Acid, you explained in a short reply what I had to write for an entrance exam in 1000 words. Props. That also opens up the job placement, standardized test and application argument but thats a whole new thread entirely.
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well then, if you agree with what he said, it's not true, and i was right so...keep your opinion the same..
 
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