Does bush suck? Options

[racoons > you]

He is trying to to his best. By hating on him and bashing on him, it doesn't get you anywhere especially in a time when we need our country to unite.

so therefore, when you disagre with the policies of a government, you should sit and let there ideas flow? just because someone sits on the seat of power doesnt make them saintly, or mean that we should follow them blindly like sheep. as far as im concerned, 'his best' isnt good enough.

i don't 'hate' george bush personally. i hate the ideals which he represents, and i would do so whether his name was clinton, gore, or blair.

[sammi rules you]

^ hehe blair? you brit.

i don't agree with a lot of president's policies. it just so happens that i'm at an age where i actually when bush is in office, so therefore, i'm more involved in his business than i was in others when i was 7. when the next president is elected, and if i don't agree with him just as much, then i'll be the same way.

[lakerfever2476]

OK .. HE FRIGGIN TURNED OUR SURPLUS TO A DEFICIT.. all the money just went down the drain.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I could write you a 40 page thesis on the economy being in a cycle of its own -- but I won't. Fact is, the nature of a capitalist economy will show that rises and falls are commonplace.

[*mona lisa*]

more people die of heart disease in 8 hours than have died in iraq. 

but people don't blame bush for that, do they?

i think we should.
it should make an interesting claim.

you can't blame a president becasue americans are suffering from disease. how long has heart disease been around compared to the war in iraq? the statistics are an estimate.

[Tung]

of course bush sucks. he sucks d**k!!

[*mona lisa*]

I could write you a 40 page thesis on the economy being in a cycle of its own -- but I won't.  Fact is, the nature of a capitalist economy will show that rises and falls are commonplace.

yes, i've learned that, but a recession under bush has been much larger than the previous recent presidents.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Actually it's at lower levels than it was during the previous wars, many of which were under heralded Democrat presidents. Those that everyone loved..

But now we have the big bad media in full force, and the hate Bush mania has been nearly copyrighted.

And it pisses conservatives such as myself off, who try to have intelligent conversations concerning our viewpoints, when people use Bush as the primary prototype.

Sure, Bush has faults. As did Clinton, and as did Carter, and others...

But why on Earth am I labeled a 'stupid hick' for believing that the conservative ideology concerning economic strategy is superior?

When you can answer that effectively with an answer other than 'people are influenced by the media, have biased viewpoints, and are narrow-minded these days', I'll retract my previous statement.

Until then, those certain people can kiss my conservative ass.

[innovation]

this thread is really long.
anyway, i think that all presidents (and possibly politicians in general) sort of "suck" because they all have too many groups to impress and too many obligations to fulfill that rarely any motive is truly genuine.

[Baku]

haha do you have to ask?

[sammi rules you]

Actually it's at lower levels than it was during the previous wars, many of which were under heralded Democrat presidents.  Those that everyone loved..

But now we have the big bad media in full force, and the hate Bush mania has been nearly copyrighted.

And it pisses conservatives such as myself off, who try to have intelligent conversations concerning our viewpoints, when people use Bush as the primary prototype.

Sure, Bush has faults.  As did Clinton, and as did Carter, and others...

But why on Earth am I labeled a 'stupid hick' for believing that the conservative ideology concerning economic strategy is superior?

When you can answer that effectively with an answer other than 'people are influenced by the media, have biased viewpoints, and are narrow-minded these days', I'll retract my previous statement.

Until then, those certain people can kiss my conservative ass.

i don't think you're a stupid hick. just those who are conservative around me are. perhaps moving would help..but i can't legally leave yet. :P

i actually think you're extremely intelligent. i just..don't agree with you.

and it's not because of the media, and i dislike bush just as much as any president. i've just only been alive long enough to be concerned with his policies. he was elected..4 years ago? 5? ish. i was 10 then. i wasn't too involved in politics. if the next president has the same views, uses the same reasoning, etc., i'll dislike him just as much, no matter who he is. some people do just hate bush cause it's a fad though, but whatever. i have my reasons.

my biggest peeve about him is that he uses his religious beliefs as reasons for laws. if he's christian, that's fine, i'll let him be - but not everyone in the country is. you can't not allow people to do certain things just cause your religion doesn't permit it. obviously, they're not of that religion, but you can't ban them from doing these things just cause you wouldn't do it yourself.

that's pretty much the biggest reason i dislike him. and other people don't agree. oh well. c'est la vie.

[*salcha*]

all presidents have their faults.
and it must have taken bush a lot of thinking to go into war, how would you feel if you were pressured and president?

[sadolakced acid]

Actually it's at lower levels than it was during the previous wars, many of which were under heralded Democrat presidents.  Those that everyone loved..

But now we have the big bad media in full force, and the hate Bush mania has been nearly copyrighted.

And it pisses conservatives such as myself off, who try to have intelligent conversations concerning our viewpoints, when people use Bush as the primary prototype.

Sure, Bush has faults.  As did Clinton, and as did Carter, and others...

But why on Earth am I labeled a 'stupid hick' for believing that the conservative ideology concerning economic strategy is superior?

When you can answer that effectively with an answer other than 'people are influenced by the media, have biased viewpoints, and are narrow-minded these days', I'll retract my previous statement.

Until then, those certain people can kiss my conservative ass.

now which wars are you talking about?

war is supposedly good for the economy...

anyways; a president shouldn't be blamed for things that happen in the first year, because his policies have not had time to take effect.

however, because conservatives believe in less government involvement in the economy, sometimes the ressesion remains because of this hands- off approach, instead of lifting like it would under a liberal president.

take FDR's actions compared with Hoover's actions.

sure, hoover wasn't responsible for the great depression. but he prolonged it by excercising the conservative hands-off belief.

FDR, with his liberal actions that resulted in a turnaround, helped the nation recover, although it was the WAR that pulled the United States out of the depression.

although this is more extreme than Bush and the current ressesion, it can be said that bush's conservative policies are causing the current ressession to remain and not get much better.

further more, he has increased the national debt by taxing less. these tax breaks do lessen the ressesion some- but his succesor will inherit a government ready to go into depression, should any lender try to claim the money owed them.

[bunny--bunny]

Bush does suck. He is a greedy as*hole. He started the war in Iraq to get oil, and killed innocent people while doing so. Bush hasn't done anything to help America.

[racoons > you]

^^
please read the whole thread before posting, its astrict rule of this forum. as justin (crackedrearview) has been pointing out, there clearly have been imprvements in america under bush, and whist i agree with your sentiment, it detracts from your point when you say things which have already ben adressed...



hmm... forgot what else i was going to say... dum dee dum.... sorry... will edit back

[*CrackedRearView*]

So, in essence Sadolacked Acid, when times are bad -- the person that everyone hates (Bush) should be given the go-ahead to revamp the economy the way he sees fit?

You're telling me you'd rather have the fate of the economy in the hands of one man than in the hands of 280,000,000?

Get real -- it's laissez-faire, it worked in Europe for thousands of years, and for 300 it's worked on our American rock in the ocean.

[Angel_Cece]

In my point of veiw he does, i mean you're supposd to be running the country yet your really running iraq and wasting millions and millions of dollars out there. seriously the money can be spent towards somewhere else. think about it now, when clinton was in office the price of gas wasn't so high, schools weren't asking for so much money. there were jobs and employes. clinton was a leader! bush is good for nothing.

[sammi rules you]

^ yes, but still consider, clinton left all of that for bush to deal with..it's not like it wasn't gradually turning into what it is now when clinton was in office.

not saying bush is a great leader either, but don't hate him for something he didn't have much control over..it takes a lot to fix an economy. it is getting worse though, and that's something that needs to be fixed now..but yea.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Wow, Sammi made a point I agree with. That's a first..

The gas prices when Clinton left offices were around $1.82.

In my state they're $1.90. I can stomach an 8 cent increase.

[sadolakced acid]

holy... 8 cents only?

when clinton left in my city, it was 1.80 ish. now it's 2.80 ish.

laissez-faire is what caused the great depression.

laissez-faire is an extreme
any extreme is bad.

[fameONE]

Maybe this is too simplistic in theory but wouldn't it make sense to right the wrongs in your own country before you attempt to right the wrongs in another?

[aznxdreamer]

bush is a bad president. i disagree in alot of things that hes doing especially the war. personally, bush is americas most wanted. he killed hundreds of soldiers. if it werent for him, the war would never have happened and not so many soldiers would have died...stupid bush. why couldnt gore or kerry be president?? the world would be in a very diffrent situation right now.

[blackbow]

Maybe this is too simplistic in theory but wouldn't it make sense to right the wrongs in your own country before you attempt to right the wrongs in another?

Not if their country's problems ARE your country's problems (and other countries' problems for that matter).

bush is a bad president. i disagree in alot of things that hes doing especially the war. personally, bush is americas most wanted. he killed hundreds of soldiers. if it werent for him, the war would never have happened and not so many soldiers would have died...stupid bush. why couldnt gore or kerry be president?? the world would be in a very diffrent situation right now.

first of all, it's not the president's decision on whether to go to war or not, it's congress who decides. the president just asks to go to war.
2nd... yes, soldiers die... its a war.. and not that many soldiers have died at all compared to... lets say...every other war.

for example.... Russia lost somehting like 2 million soldiers or civilians in WW2
and I mean, how many Iraqi's have died fighting? or any other soldiers or civilians in surrounding countries? I dunno!! maybe cause that specific # is not something people seem to care about.

Hahaha, and what makes you oh so sure that Gore wouldn't go to war? and what makes you think that Kerry would just end the war? Just because a different president is in office doesn't mean they would make a different decision.

[aznxdreamer]

Not if their country's problems ARE your country's problems (and other countries' problems for that matter).
first of all, it's not the president's decision on whether to go to war or not, it's congress who decides.  the president just asks to go to war.
2nd... yes, soldiers die... its a war..  and not that many soldiers have died at all compared to... lets say...every other war. 

for example.... Russia lost somehting like 2 million soldiers or civilians in WW2
and I mean, how many Iraqi's have died fighting? or any other soldiers or civilians in surrounding countries?  I dunno!! maybe cause that specific # is not something people seem to care about. 

Hahaha,  and what makes you oh so sure that Gore wouldn't go to war?  and what makes you think that Kerry would just end the war?  Just because a different president is in office doesn't mean they would make a different decision.

first of all, just because not as many soldiers died in battle then in the other war doesnt mean it doesnt matter. oh, so you think that once we overcome the number of deaths in lets say, world war 1, then we start worrying? and seccond of all, i never said that if gore were president it would be assured that he would not start a war, but there are other ways of dealing with the situation we've been in.
bush say hes christian? yeah right.

[*CrackedRearView*]

holy...  8 cents only? 

when clinton left in my city, it was 1.80 ish.  now it's 2.80 ish.

laissez-faire is what caused the great depression. 

laissez-faire is an extreme
any extreme is bad.

Okay, I'm sorry. I guess I should take your opinion over those of Montesqieu and Rosseau...

Philosophers must've had it all wrong..

Probably why Europe was such a failure for 4,000 years... (no sarcasm )