Does bush suck? Options

[fameONE]

If he is not your president then you have no reason to be in the United States. If you don't agree you can leave. Seriously, back up your statements before saying something like that. Have we not learned in history that this happened times before when the world is with them at one point and then is against them at another. For example when Franz Ferdinand was assasinated and the world was on the side of Austria until they did something. Which caused a world war. I'm not saying that it was good that this caused a world war but I'm just saying that things like this happen in history all the time and sure maybe Bush should learn from it but like Jose said once before in the beginning of the agrument, you try to deal with being a President when something like 9/11 happens to your country and you try to pass with flying colors. Also how do you know they had no real reasons or motives to go into Iraq? Are you involved in the government and do you recieve all the information? We don't receive all the information about everything therefore you can't just say there is no reason for going to Iraq when you really don't know. Anyways, I agree with everything CrackedRearView has said. And sadolakced acid when you say when are we going to liberate Cuba and North Korea (I think those were your examples?) well how do you know that this is not in mind? That possibly they are debating right now what they should do with Cuba and North Korea? Just because you might not hear about it and see what's going on, doesn't mean that something is not being planned for. I mean, I myself, have no reason to believe that they are planning something or not, but you can't totally disregard the fact that they could very well be doing something about both situations.

Amen.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Something might have to do with the fact that Saddam Hussein is in his late 50's and Fidel Castro/Kim Jong Il are both pushing 80.

[*mona lisa*]

If he is not your president then you have no reason to be in the United States. If you don't agree you can leave. Seriously, back up your statements before saying something like that.

so if every time a new president is elected and we don't like them, we have to leave the country? be realistic. we can still live in the same country. and if she personally doesn't like him, she's gonna pack up her stuff and leave alone/with her family? and do you not know what bush is doing in iraq? that was his decision and it wasn't a good one. and he's hypocritical. the US is the strongest country in the world, yet they're bombing other countries so he can get closer to the oil.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Nice logic there, gotnoheart. You, as well as everyone else who brings up trite excuses to dislike the president has absolutely no use of facts.

But oh well, people have hated presidents for generations. This new 'hate Bush' fad is nothing different.

[fameONE]

note that intellegent design doesn't say anything about belief in god. i don't belive in god.  i hate him and his fanclub, to a certain point.  i try to be civil about it...

That may be and, honestly, I could care less what anyone else believes and what they don't believe. Do you try to live your life as a decent human being? Will your actions somehow be beneficial to the advancement of society?

[ryfitaDF]

But oh well, people have hated presidents for generations.  This new 'hate Bush' fad is nothing different.

isn't the "hate bush" fad alot bigger than any of it's predecessors, though? plus, you have to admit, just as many people blindly like him as dislike.

[sammi rules you]

i don't blindly dislike him. i disagree with a lot of the policies he believes/will be/wants to/etc. implement. i don't like the way he thinks, i don't like his reasoning for things, yadda yadda. i don't understand why he thinks it's ok to use religion as a reason for a law. i don't agree with him on abortion. i don't agree with the war, even if iraq did have WMDs, i still wouldn't agree with the way he went about it. and it's not just him i agree with, obviously, since the congress voted for it. i don't agree with the whole administration. but since, as of now, i can't legally leave my house and move to london, here i am.

[ryfitaDF]

^ i think i'm moving to canada as soon as i can. or sweden. psutosocailism > represenative democracy.

[sadolakced acid]

Nice logic there, gotnoheart.  You, as well as everyone else who brings up trite excuses to dislike the president has absolutely no use of facts.

But oh well, people have hated presidents for generations.  This new 'hate Bush' fad is nothing different.

oh, but there are facts.

Bush has set many records
greatest debt increase...
most days on vacation

etc.

my hate is based on fact.

Bush is a great divider. He alienates half the country with his policies. He makes no attempt to appease them. He , in short, doesn't care about what the people who don't support him think.

and this of course is his great weakness.

You don't run a country by appeasing the majority. that's why it's hard. You try to make everyone happy.


51% is all it takes to be president.

99% is what it takes to be great.

[ryfitaDF]

"51% is all it takes to be president.

99% is what it takes to be great."

WURD!

[mickybeans]

oh, but there are facts. 

Bush has set many records
greatest debt increase...
most days on vacation
etc. 

i completely agree with you, dear (:

[xTINAA]

so if every time a new president is elected and we don't like them, we have to leave the country? be realistic. we can still live in the same country. and if she personally doesn't like him, she's gonna pack up her stuff and leave alone/with her family? and do you not know what bush is doing in iraq? that was his decision and it wasn't a good one. and he's hypocritical. the US is the strongest country in the world, yet they're bombing other countries so he can get closer to the oil.

Please, don't bring up oil. And yes I actually do know about Iraq so maybe you shouldn't assume things. And did I say that everytime someone dislikes a president they should leave? No. And that's the point smart one. She needs to be realistic. Yeah, she may not like the president but tough. He is our president. Whether you voted for Kerry or Bush or support whomever, now Bush is president so at least support him. He is trying to to his best. By hating on him and bashing on him, it doesn't get you anywhere especially in a time when we need our country to unite.

[sadolakced acid]

dissent is what makes our country great.

there has to be an opposition, has to be someone hating the president.

there has to be people raising questions of legitimacy, etc.
or else democracy is gone.

[b0st0ngrl]

I don't like Bush. He opposes Gay Marriage which I think is unfair.

[nevernothere]

I'm stealing this from someone. I'm not too sure, you can't really tell these things till after a term. But so far, he's on the road to suckage.

He sucked before he was prez., didnt he have a couple DWI's or DUI's or whatever the fark they're called? He also ditched his duties as a national guardsmen or whatever. And...he was a coke head.

So says my political bible written by a democratic satirist, "lies and the lying liars who tell them."

Uhh.. the last time I checked... this is his SECOND term.

[b0st0ngrl]

Uhh.. the last time I checked... this is his SECOND term.

They posted that in May

[*krnxswat*]

Uhh.. the last time I checked... this is his SECOND term.

The last time I checked, that was almost a year ago, dumbnut.

[*CrackedRearView*]

isn't the "hate bush" fad alot bigger than any of it's predecessors, though? plus, you have to admit, just as many people blindly like him as dislike.

Actually the hatred has been intense for a number of years. You think it's bad now? It was margins worse in the late 1700's and early 1800's.

[sweetxsimplicity]

Well, he doesn't suck, but what he does do. He's killing hundreds of soldiers in Iraq and probably just for oil. And a lot of those soldiers have a family and kids..
..Okay, I'm not good at this debating stuff, so I'll just shut up now. =x

[sadolakced acid]

more people die of heart disease in 8 hours than have died in iraq.

but people don't blame bush for that, do they?

i think we should.
it should make an interesting claim.

[fameONE]

Read 1984 and then develop a newfound appreciation for our government, no matter how sheisty you believe it to be.

[*CrackedRearView*]

more people die of heart disease in 8 hours than have died in iraq. 

but people don't blame bush for that, do they?

i think we should.
it should make an interesting claim.

With that logic:

- More people die in car wrecks in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.
- More people die in gunfights in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.
- More people die from cancer in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.
- More people die from AIDS in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.
- More people die from hunger in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.
- More people die from Alzheimer's in 8 hours than have died in Iraq.

I could go on with a list of things we could 'blame Bush' for -- but you'd have to blame every one of the other presidents who faced these exact same problems for years in the past.

But no, people didn't wreck their cars, shoot their guns, get cancer, or AIDS, go hungry, or develop Alzheimer's while Clinton was in office.

Being how he was such a saintly, perfect president. What with his sky high taxes...

[sadolakced acid]

actually, you'd have to change the times for those events to be longer, because less people die from those.

but yes, you've made my point.

people didn't die in iraq when bush wasn't president.

lots of people weren't detained based on thier race or appearance when bush wasn't president

the united states did not go against the UN on the topic war when bush wasn't president.


it doesn't matter if it wasn't his fault. he is president. and president is in charge of the country.

if you were babysitting a kid, and the kid took sissors and stabed his eye out, then it'd be considered your fault right? because you were babysitting him.

likewise, the things that happen when bush is president aren't always his fault. But because he is president, he has the power to stop them. and he doesn't. and that is what makes all these things his fault.

[*CrackedRearView*]

people didn't die in iraq when bush wasn't president. 

lots of people weren't detained based on thier race or appearance when bush wasn't president

the united states did not go against the UN on the topic war when bush wasn't president. 

No, actually they were dying in Vietnam, Germany, Japan, Russia, Korea, and places throughout Europe. In larger numbers.

People weren't detained based on race in the 40's and 50's? Ha! Where have you gotten your facts?

It would have been hard to go against the UN in the World Wars and Vietnam seeing how the UN was hardly invented.

[sadolakced acid]

i am refering to clinton's era.

sure, there were some 'armed conflicts'
but none on this scale.