"Blind Faith", critizing religion... |
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 May 12 2004, 11:44 PM
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Okay I just finished my report/essay on this topic. It's basically...
"Do you think that calling religion blind-faith is acceptable in today's society? Do you believe that it is blind faith?" I know its a lamooo subject, but i actually wrote like more than 3 pages on this... so yea...  amazing huh. And what sucks is that i have to think moreee of this subject sinc we're going to ahve this jumbo mumbo debate thing and i have smart people in my class who can beat the sh!t outtta me with language and brains...  My opinion: -Amendment 1 states freedom of religion, it is the first amendment therefore was important... -There is no solid proof that religion is in fact blind faith just as non beeleevers would say that there is no proof that religion is correct... -True, amendment 1 states freedom of speech, but it seems disrespectful to use the freedom of speech to diss something that our forefathers have put into the constitution to better our country. Lame lame opinion here, i admit, because i was required to addd a "legal-point-of-view" and OBVIOUSLY my teacher was dissapointed since i happened to add the FIRST amendment...  hahah anyways. opinions?
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| *NatiMarie* |
May 13 2004, 12:27 AM
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I agree with you I mean, it's really disrespectful to oppose a religion that you do not know about. I mean, it's always good to have freedom of the press but when you abuse this freedom to an extent where you try to dehumanize a religion, it's morally wrong. I respect other people's religion and let them to choose whatever path they want to choose. As long as it doesn't affect me, I won't interfere with their religious beliefs.
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May 13 2004, 12:30 AM
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You know what... I used to have blind faith... but when I was sitting in my senior theology class I was pointed out many things that prove it to be true... many non-christian historians who lived at the time of Jesus writing about unusual things... such as an earthquake and the sky going from day to night... if respected historians from that time write about it then why do we believe the rest of their stuff but not that?!?!
edit: sorry respected historians |
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May 13 2004, 01:25 AM
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advanced newbie... S2 Group: Member Posts: 3,504 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 752 |
duke soccer, sorry but i dont get what ur saying...
like if respect historians uh?
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May 13 2004, 09:11 AM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Who would refer religion as 'blind faith'? Atheists?
Religion gives people hope in times of despair, it shouldn't be degraded only because a few number of people choose not to believe anything. But then again, religious people have said that I follow a blind faith, too, for believing in God, but not the Bible. So, where did this phrase originate from? Atheists? Or self-proclaimed "true believers"? |
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May 13 2004, 09:21 AM
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Technically everything can be considered blind faith. The bible itself has been interpreted, so whose to say that everything in it is accurate. There are many things that have been left out of the bible, that at the time I suppose weren't deemed important enough to be in there.
It matters not to me if someone says that I have blind faith when it comes to my religion, because in the end at least I have FAITH. |
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May 13 2004, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 9:21 AM) Technically everything can be considered blind faith. The bible itself has been interpreted, so whose to say that everything in it is accurate. There are many things that have been left out of the bible, that at the time I suppose weren't deemed important enough to be in there. I would like to be enlightened on what was left out... obviously you have no clue what the process of translating the Bible is... |
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May 13 2004, 09:50 AM
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Doh! Group: Member Posts: 393 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,507 |
QUOTE(dukesoccer07 @ May 13 2004, 9:22 AM) I would like to be enlightened on what was left out... obviously you have no clue what the process of translating the Bible is... So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now... some things left out There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this |
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May 13 2004, 10:14 AM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 9:50 AM) So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now... some things left out There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this I rememeber hearing something like this... Also, one of the things 'left out', I think, included a request to not serve God in Churches, but rather in our hearts. I suppose these passages had to be taken out, after all, I don't think Churches appreciate them much. |
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May 13 2004, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 9:50 AM) So quick to assume I don't have a clue huh...this is just one example that I have found for you...there are many more but I'm a tad bit pressed for time right now... some things left out There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this No offense... but that stuff isnt part of the Bible... what you religion believes is something else... but whats in the Bible has been in the Bible since the first edition... |
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May 13 2004, 11:46 AM
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Doh! Group: Member Posts: 393 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,507 |
QUOTE(dukesoccer07 @ May 13 2004, 10:28 AM) No offense... but that stuff isnt part of the Bible... what you religion believes is something else... but whats in the Bible has been in the Bible since the first edition... I know it's not in the bible, you said to "enlighten" you with things that have been left out of the bible...did you not?? My religion is catholic btw...so exactly what does my religion believe differently??. My point is through interpretation you get many variations and some things don't even make it to the text version. Also you need to take into consideration things that they have found (artifacts and such) that were found after the original publication of the bible, that have never been added. Why do you think there are so many different publications of bibles. The King James Bible is not the only bible there is. If the bible were to be interpreted into a modern day text format, like how we speak today, many things that are in the bible probably wouldn't be construed the same way. |
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May 13 2004, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 11:46 AM) My religion is catholic btw.... I can tell.... im not gonna say anymore just cause I dont want to bring controversy to this |
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May 13 2004, 02:53 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(dukesoccer07 @ May 13 2004, 1:11 PM) I can tell.... im not gonna say anymore just cause I dont want to bring controversy to this It's a debate, there's supposed to be controversy. So lets here it. |
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May 13 2004, 02:59 PM
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 Liv's Secret Lover *shhhh* Group: Member Posts: 201 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,229 |
QUOTE some things left out There have been many topics on the history channel and explorer channels about this After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. |
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May 13 2004, 03:08 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 13 2004, 2:59 PM) After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. To you it's "bull", but to others it's secrets revealed. I think if you're so against it, then you should write to the people who discovered them. There isn't a right or wrong here, because it's all opinions. |
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May 13 2004, 03:09 PM
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Liv's Secret Lover *shhhh* Group: Member Posts: 201 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,229 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 13 2004, 3:08 PM) To you it's "bull", but to others it's secrets revealed. I think if you're so against it, then you should write to the people who discovered them. There isn't a right or wrong here, because it's all opinions. I was just expressing my opinion, dear. I didn't say this was wrong for everyone. 
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May 13 2004, 03:13 PM
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Doh! Group: Member Posts: 393 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,507 |
QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 13 2004, 2:59 PM) After reading one VERSE of that bullcrap I can tell its fake. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. LOL!! I think you have a serious problem with me Mr. Chocolate...you seem to quote me all the time and yet you never have anything credible to back yourself up. All you ever say is You're wrong, or that's stupid...blah, blah, blah. Why does it have to be stupid because you don't believe in it. Is it "blind faith" that everything believed other than your way is stupid?? It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right. Anyways didn't mean to twist this all off topic. I guess I should have posted my link in an Open-mindedness for the close minded topic. |
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May 13 2004, 03:15 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 13 2004, 3:09 PM) I was just expressing my opinion, dear. I didn't say this was wrong for everyone. I knew that  I just thought I'd tell you my opinions about your opinions. |
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May 13 2004, 03:32 PM
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Liv's Secret Lover *shhhh* Group: Member Posts: 201 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,229 |
QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 3:13 PM) LOL!! I think you have a serious problem with me Mr. Chocolate...you seem to quote me all the time and yet you never have anything credible to back yourself up. All you ever say is You're wrong, or that's stupid...blah, blah, blah. Why does it have to be stupid because you don't believe in it. Is it "blind faith" that everything believed other than your way is stupid?? It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right. Anyways didn't mean to twist this all off topic. I guess I should have posted my link in an Open-mindedness for the close minded topic. Actually I didn't even realize that it was you I quoted until just now, mrs. dasturbd. Please forgive me, but I actually don't have a problem with you. I just thought that those "lost bible excerpts" were crap. I don't think it was a very credible link... |
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May 13 2004, 05:47 PM
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That's horrible, calling religion blind faith. That's supposed to be one of the good things of our country, getting to believe in whatever you believe in. To me, religion is part of who I am. Once they ridicule my religion, they ridicule me.
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May 13 2004, 06:00 PM
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 Master Debater Group: Member Posts: 1,066 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,719 |
we practice blind faith every day, i'm practicing blind faith towards my chair. I believe it wont break or eat me. Ya never know tho, religion is comforting. So is this chair.
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May 13 2004, 06:25 PM
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 The Return of Sathington Willoughby. Group: Member Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,724 |
today i had this whole idea, that big brother of 1984 is God, and Oceania was purgatory, and they must love Big brother to go to heaven. both the bible and the party preach abstinence, suppress art, and complete devotion to what the bible/party says, regardless of reason. Orwell was a real anti religion dude, so i don't find this too far out.
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May 13 2004, 06:28 PM
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Master Debater Group: Member Posts: 1,066 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,719 |
Orwell was a genius. Ever read "animal farm"? It's a simplier book then "1984", but just as good.
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May 13 2004, 06:30 PM
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The Return of Sathington Willoughby. Group: Member Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,724 |
yeah i read it. good stuff
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May 13 2004, 06:38 PM
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wow.
anyways,. QUOTE It seems as though my earlier point has been taken out of context anyways. Blind Faith, no matter what religion or even science is still faith and as long as you believe that there is/isn't a God, that we are here from creation or evolution,it's your belief and what you have faith to be right. i agree with this, most definately. Im christian, but i respect other religions most of the time unless they start telling me that im full of crap cause im christian.  please, i understand this is a debate forum and so there has to be friction, but could you guys please limit on the member bashing? Its kind of... messed up... 
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