is it animal cruelty? Options

[CrimsonArchangel]

No, this is not about fur, or wool or anything like that.

Its about science. Many of you have had to dissect several creatures for bio class, most likely. Today I had to do the frog ringer lab, where a frog has its brain removed (is it really dead?) and then we have to dissect it and add chemicals to its heart to see what happens, then add a third one that will kill it.

Now I ask. Despite the fact that many of those animals are bred for that purpose, "to further science", should we use animals as dissection subjects? Or should we just make plastic models and the such?

Is it animal cruelty to breed animals for the purpose of being cut up by students just to learn?

[sadolakced acid]

ok, so the cats will be involuntarily scaraficed for the good of the landfill then, because they're going to be killed anyways.

and for live test subjects: the animals are bred for the purpose usually.

As for your lion argument... it was said earlier that we understand the need to fight for survival. Eating, feeding (yes, even if it involves killing) is to just get by. Do you think our whim and curiosity as to what's inside a living animal is necessary for survival? I doubt it. One less eyeliner on the market won't kill the entire human race.

this whim of curiosity has already saved your life. If you're alive, in this world, and not in a third world country, you have already benifited from animal testing.

you are guilty of supporting the tourture of animals for the benifit of yourself.

everyone is.

[eunie03]

ok, so the cats will be involuntarily scaraficed for the good of the landfill then, because they're going to be killed anyways. 

and for live test subjects: the animals are bred for the purpose usually. 
this whim of curiosity has already saved your life.  If you're alive, in this world, and not in a third world country, you have already benifited from animal testing. 

you are guilty of supporting the tourture of animals for the benifit of yourself.

everyone is.

I don't know if you realize this, but you're gonna eventually die anyway too. Sacrifice yourself for the good of the landfill, then.

I'll have you know, I keep away from animal-tested products. I believe someone else mentioned that just because a majority of the population does it, it does not mean everyone does.

I like to think of myself as an animal lover, not an animal torturer, mind you.

wow... you kids are amazing... I didn't want to bother with this topic anymore due to your ignorance, but I just didn't want you young people grow up with misled information..

Most of you are complaining and arguing based on what you've heard from someone or read on the internet... please educate yourselves properly by talking to someone that is actually in the field... it's ok to have your own ideas and opinions, but before your criticize, understand what you're trying to criticize.

I wish you wouldn't act so smarter-than-thou about this. Just because some of the ones who are on the anti side are giving misled information, does not mean all of us ignorant fools with pitchforks and whatnot. I'm just speaking my beliefs. You said yourself it's one thing to speak your opinions, and another to try to force it on others.

You seem to be crossing the line yourself.

[sadolakced acid]

I don't know if you realize this, but you're gonna eventually die anyway too. Sacrifice yourself for the good of the landfill, then.

I'll have you know, I keep away from animal-tested products. I believe someone else mentioned that just because a majority of the population does it, it does not mean everyone does.

I like to think of myself as an animal lover, not an animal torturer, mind you.

you're using a computer right now. i assume that means you have embraced some sort of technology.

it doens't matter who you are, if you're not someone who shuns all modern tech, you've used animal tested produces. during your birth, or early childhood. probably didn't stop, and you probably still use some (unknowingly) but i'll grant that you probably don't use any products tested directly on animals. also, unless you make your own natural shampoo, it's probably been tested on animals.


my shampoo said (i changed) 'never tested on animals' but a little research revealed that the shampoo itself had never been tested on animals, but the active ingredient had, by someone else.


my point is, anyone using a computer must have had used animal tested products sometime. it's inevitable.


eunie03- the following would be an example of misled information found on this thread...

But it also depends on the reasons for what you are about to do to the animals, for example:

cosmetics: a big huge NO!!!!!
lab testing on new medecins: ...yeah
sick minded children: just learn to say no
pervs: NO


basicly, if it helps a human being's life, do it but for any other reasons, I doubt I wouldn't call it animal cruelty

cosmetics- benifits a human's life
lab testing on new medicines- benifits a human's life
sick minded children- benifits a human's life
pervs- benifits a human's life

cosmetics, as i have already said before in the thread, must be tested for safety reasons. the only way to aviod usuing animal tested products is to use no products at all, because just because the bottle says 'never tested on animals' doesn't mean you're not supporting animal testing, it means the completed product was never tested on animals, and the manufactures didn't test part of it on any animals. what it neglects to mention is someone else has already tested the active ingredient, and that's how they know it's safe, and if it was not already animal tested, they would not be using it.

lab testing on new medicines- well you said yes. so i guess it's pretty obvious to everyone else too, why this benifits humans.

sick minded children-

i'll ignore the fact that you are most likely refering to children like me, who take classes specifically for the dissections, eh? and everyone else who does dissesctions in school.

how is this not benifiting a human's life? first (and the only one that you'll probably accept) is that you're training the future doctors. If no children dissect animals, then none of them will become doctors. If they do disect animals, some of them will become doctors. and benifit many human lives.

second- the kid's lives are benifited. is everyone who dissects something an animal tourturer? there was a girl in my class who loved animals- but knew that she needed to learn the stuff. she could have taken a class without dissection, but she said she knew it was a good experience.

pervs-

now who would this be? really. who? can't be the kids in disection class, you alredy mentioned them...

oh... so that leave laboratory researchers, right?
well, i'll let you explain this one before i crush the argument. because even if it's just perverted people disecting animals for fun, and then throwing them away, well. it makes a human happy. so it benifits thier life.