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nature vs nurture
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post Feb 5 2005, 08:10 PM
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what do you think controls the way a person develops?

are people born athletic, or evil, or whatnot and theyll be that way however theyre raised or will can the personality of a person be changed by how there reared, like with gay people?

this is a fairly common debate, so you should be able to have some idea what im on about, i hope
 
 
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post Feb 11 2005, 07:57 PM
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Here's information taken from the book Genome; the autobiography of a species in 23 chapters, by matt ridley. harper collins publishers, 1999. On page 82-3:

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Started by environmental determinists, the study of twins reared apart was later taken up by those on the other side of the argument, in particular Thomas Bouchard of the University of Minnesota.  Beginning in 1979, he collected pairs of separated twins from all over the world and reuited them while testing thier personalities and IQs.  Other studies, meanwhile, concentrated on comparing the IQs of adopted people with those of thier adoptive parents and thier biological parents or thier siblings.  Put all suchs studies together, totting up the IQ tests of tens of thousands of individuals, and the table looks like this, one hundred percent correlation being perfect identity and zero per cent being random difference.

The same person tested twice            87[%]
Identical twins reared together            86[%]
Identical twins reared apart                76[%]
Fraternal twins reared together          55[%]
Biological siblings                                  47[%]
Parents and children living together    40[%]
parents and children living apart          31[%]
Adopted Children living together            0[%]
Unrelated people living apart                  0[%]

[ % symbols added for clarity]

it is clearly obvious that Nature plays the largest role, as identical twins reared apart (same genes) are 76% alike, while adopted children living together are 0% alike (same upraising)


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have i killed all debate in this thread? someone go research and find something at supports nurture, i garuntee you will find something, or else ther would not be an argument in the scientific society.

or just someone come here and tell me my cited (albiet not correctly cited) source is wrong.

This post has been edited by sadolakced acid: Feb 12 2005, 04:41 AM
 

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tweeak   nature vs nurture   Feb 5 2005, 08:10 PM
dahding   well. the character of a person is developed and b...   Feb 5 2005, 08:22 PM
mzkandi   QUOTE(dahding @ Feb 5 2005, 8:22 PM)well. the...   Feb 5 2005, 10:48 PM
Programmer   they say your most stongest stage is as a "ba...   Feb 5 2005, 08:32 PM
sammi rules you   born that way. i tried the whole sports thing fro...   Feb 5 2005, 08:41 PM
Spirited Away   I've been convinced that we are born with a bl...   Feb 5 2005, 09:41 PM
xcaitlinx   i think that the physical look of people [whether ...   Feb 5 2005, 10:19 PM
actionrobot_go   I think that creativity, for example, is hard wire...   Feb 5 2005, 10:28 PM
racoons > you   QUOTEi don't think there's an "evil g...   Feb 6 2005, 07:48 AM
tweeak   QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Feb 6 2005, 7:48 AM...   Feb 6 2005, 11:11 AM
Frankie   about the gays, i think that they are born gay. i ...   Feb 6 2005, 03:01 PM
Teesa   QUOTE(Frankie_08 @ Feb 6 2005, 3:01 PM)about ...   Feb 10 2005, 11:49 PM
ryfitaDF   it's been proven that people are tought how to...   Feb 6 2005, 03:13 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Feb 6 2005, 2:13 PM)it's...   Feb 11 2005, 04:52 PM
sadolakced acid   Here's information taken from the book Genome;...   Feb 11 2005, 07:57 PM
sammi rules you   i agree with what you said, i don't wanna find...   Feb 12 2005, 10:49 AM
racoons > you   no me neither. i think you won   Feb 12 2005, 11:14 AM
Spirited Away   Oh very well, but I'm not good at being on the...   Feb 12 2005, 05:37 PM
nevernothere   Ppl are naturally evil... nurture determines wheth...   Feb 12 2005, 08:44 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(nevernothere @ Feb 12 2005, 8:44 PM)Ppl...   Feb 12 2005, 10:12 PM
Spirited Away   Evil babies will kill you in your sleep.   Feb 12 2005, 10:08 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Feb 12 2005, 9:08 PM)Ev...   Feb 12 2005, 11:25 PM
sadolakced acid   yes, you can suppress a genius by nurture. but ...   Feb 13 2005, 12:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 13 2005, 12:06 PM...   Feb 13 2005, 09:47 PM
racoons > you   indeed. a leopard acnt changes his spots... and a ...   Feb 13 2005, 12:09 PM
mysticalazxn   should not be control even if they are evil or a s...   Feb 14 2005, 05:03 PM
sammi rules you   ^ what?.. that has nothing to do with the topic..   Feb 14 2005, 07:32 PM


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