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 Jan 26 2005, 09:14 PM
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 Carried away  Group: Member Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,462  |
No, this is not about fur, or wool or anything like that.
Its about science. Many of you have had to dissect several creatures for bio class, most likely. Today I had to do the frog ringer lab, where a frog has its brain removed (is it really dead?) and then we have to dissect it and add chemicals to its heart to see what happens, then add a third one that will kill it. Now I ask. Despite the fact that many of those animals are bred for that purpose, "to further science", should we use animals as dissection subjects? Or should we just make plastic models and the such? Is it animal cruelty to breed animals for the purpose of being cut up by students just to learn? |
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Feb 4 2005, 12:23 PM
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 Another ditch in the road... you keep moving Group: Member Posts: 6,281 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 85,152 |
QUOTE anyways: an animal cannot speak to defend it's rights. It is not equal to humans, because they are not humans. then surely it is the responsibility of humans to defend them where they cannot? the lives of animals shouldnot be sacrificed, of rsomething as needless as cosmetics. humans wont die without mascara you know. medical test have more weight to them, but i personally still think its wrong... QUOTE Though I see your point, but I must also say that some mentally disabled humans cannot speak to defend their rights either. Does that mean they do not have a right to life? good point? can u test tings on people in comas? they cant say 'no', can they |
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Feb 4 2005, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Feb 4 2005, 12:23 PM) medical test have more weight to them, but i personally still think its wrong... good point? can u test tings on people in comas? they cant say 'no', can they  Yes, medical testing has more good reasons behind it, but student don't open up cats and pigs to test medicines, now do they? Unless a student is going to become a veterinarian, I really don't see why dissections are required for human Anatomy and Physiology courses. That is totally pointless. As for your second statement, where does that tie into this debate? Forgive me, but I really don't see the point of it. |
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CrimsonArchangel is it animal cruelty? Jan 26 2005, 09:14 PM
racoons > you yes. Jan 27 2005, 12:01 PM karrar It is animal cruelty,but you can not risk a Human... Jan 27 2005, 05:17 PM racoons > you ^^ what kind of company, if its cosmetics then its... Jan 27 2005, 05:23 PM karrar Human Genome project and stem cells still are not ... Jan 27 2005, 05:29 PM CrimsonArchangel Humans *are* used for dissection. I've done it... Jan 27 2005, 06:04 PM Frankie this is a good point. from someone else's poin... Jan 27 2005, 06:29 PM cRaZiiXbEauTiFul ^^ agreed,...but wait...you take out the frogs bra... Jan 27 2005, 06:57 PM
CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(cRaZiiXbEauTiFul @ Jan 27 2005, 6:57 PM... Jan 28 2005, 02:47 PM sporadic ........It was still alive....? Jan 28 2005, 02:32 AM Gypsy Eyes Oi vey, i'm going o try not to go overboard on... Jan 28 2005, 06:48 PM racoons > you ^^ i'll sign
i will just say, that ive never ... Jan 29 2005, 08:13 AM sammi rules you i don't think they're supposed to be alive... Jan 29 2005, 11:20 AM niez_cho If the animals died naturally, then I think it... Jan 30 2005, 03:49 AM CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(niez_cho @ Jan 30 2005, 3:49 AM)If the ... Jan 30 2005, 11:36 AM racoons > you QUOTEi don't think they're supposed to be ... Jan 30 2005, 10:27 AM sammi rules you QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Jan 30 2005, 9:27 A... Jan 30 2005, 11:55 AM eunie03 I don't think you should do anything to ... Jan 30 2005, 02:33 PM Sumiaki QUOTE(eunie03 @ Jan 30 2005, 2:33 PM)I don... Jan 31 2005, 04:13 PM CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(eunie03 @ Jan 30 2005, 2:33 PM)I don... Jan 31 2005, 05:23 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jan 31 2005, 5:23 PM... Jan 31 2005, 06:40 PM CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jan 31 2005, 6:40 PM)Th... Feb 1 2005, 06:38 PM eunie03 QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jan 31 2005, 5:23 PM... Feb 1 2005, 11:45 AM racoons > you QUOTEif you cut a worm in half it's still aliv... Jan 30 2005, 02:40 PM racoons > you QUOTESame goes for the person who said "Let... Feb 1 2005, 01:50 PM eunie03 QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Feb 1 2005, 1:50 PM... Feb 1 2005, 04:06 PM Spirited Away You know, the blood and gore in movies can look re... Feb 2 2005, 12:11 AM Funky Buddha What about vegetable cruelty? Plants too are livin... Feb 2 2005, 12:23 AM sadolakced acid the contrast between disection models and the real... Feb 2 2005, 12:25 AM eunie03 QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 2 2005, 12:25 AM)... Feb 2 2005, 06:50 PM Spiritual Winged Aura yea, all the ideas are pass by generations and peo... Feb 2 2005, 12:31 AM Spirited Away QUOTEhow will doctors learn how find the gallbladd... Feb 2 2005, 12:31 AM racoons > you QUOTEcosmetics MUST be tested, (or at least all ch... Feb 2 2005, 12:10 PM xcaitlinx no, because you DONT DISSECT THEM ALIVE.
unles... Feb 2 2005, 04:33 PM sammi rules you QUOTE(caytexo @ Feb 2 2005, 3:33 PM)no, becau... Feb 2 2005, 05:16 PM smthngcrprategrl34 yea it does sound like that too me. 9th grade we h... Feb 2 2005, 04:39 PM im2tall I'm sorry, but most of your comments are based... Feb 2 2005, 10:55 PM eunie03 QUOTE(sadolakced acid)Humans and animals are not e... Feb 3 2005, 12:25 AM sadolakced acid im2tall, you know that formaldehyde isn't actu... Feb 2 2005, 11:25 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 2 2005, 11:25 PM)... Feb 2 2005, 11:44 PM im2tall QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 2 2005, 8:25 PM)i... Feb 3 2005, 09:36 PM eunie03 QUOTE(im2tall @ Feb 3 2005, 9:36 PM)Although ... Feb 4 2005, 12:06 PM xcaitlinx QUOTE(eunie03 @ Feb 4 2005, 12:06 PM)Actually... Feb 4 2005, 03:12 PM xGlovex yes. Feb 3 2005, 12:20 PM sadolakced acid QUOTE(eunie03 @ Feb 2 2005, 11:25 PM)They are... Feb 3 2005, 05:35 PM xcaitlinx QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 3 2005, 5:35 PM)a... Feb 3 2005, 08:08 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 3 2005, 5:35 PM)a... Feb 4 2005, 12:14 AM sadolakced acid yes... but we are still human.
loyalty to specie... Feb 3 2005, 09:21 PM CrimsonArchangel Well.... I guess the debate has stemmed to the iss... Feb 3 2005, 11:36 PM racoons > you QUOTEYes, medical testing has more good reasons be... Feb 4 2005, 03:15 PM PUNKINitup Yes it is. I'm a vegitarian, and the only reas... Feb 4 2005, 03:16 PM Stately Lover QUOTEYes it is. I'm a vegitarian, and the only... Feb 6 2005, 05:02 PM sadolakced acid oh yes. it's so cruel. i mean, helping propo... Feb 9 2005, 12:02 AM mysticalazxn some animal must sacrafice for tthe shake of the h... Feb 9 2005, 12:04 AM LadyXTor People are saying that we don't dissect until ... Feb 9 2005, 12:22 AM im2tall wow... you kids are amazing... I didn't want t... Feb 9 2005, 08:22 PM sadolakced acid because humans are not animals.
disections of c... Feb 9 2005, 12:48 AM LadyXTor yes, but that's only cats from shelters. Some... Feb 9 2005, 12:57 AM eunie03 QUOTE(LadyXTor @ Feb 9 2005, 12:57 AM)They ar... Feb 9 2005, 02:43 AM sadolakced acid ok, so the cats will be involuntarily scaraficed f... Feb 9 2005, 03:13 AM eunie03 QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 9 2005, 3:13 AM)o... Feb 12 2005, 01:04 AM sadolakced acid QUOTE(eunie03 @ Feb 12 2005, 12:04 AM)I don... Feb 12 2005, 04:39 AM CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 12 2005, 4:39 AM)... Feb 12 2005, 04:48 PM eunie03 QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 12 2005, 4:39 AM)... Feb 12 2005, 11:09 PM racoons > you QUOTEand for live test subjects: the animals are b... Feb 9 2005, 04:38 PM sadolakced acid QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Feb 9 2005, 3:38 PM... Feb 9 2005, 06:13 PM LadyXTor QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 9 2005, 6:13 PM)n... Feb 9 2005, 06:34 PM sadolakced acid there are no medicines, that have not been tested ... Feb 9 2005, 06:41 PM x_angawhomps What the hell, animals are bred for that purpose? ... Feb 9 2005, 06:43 PM CrimsonArchangel WELL said.
I actually believe all you say. I sta... Feb 9 2005, 09:52 PM Spirited Away If it's so gruesome for high school students t... Feb 10 2005, 12:47 AM im2tall QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Feb 9 2005, 9:47 PM)If ... Feb 10 2005, 09:32 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(im2tall @ Feb 10 2005, 9:32 PM)You are ... Feb 10 2005, 11:21 PM sadolakced acid i agree plastic and silicone models can be good te... Feb 11 2005, 02:59 AM Spirited Away Yes, yes. And once again, we can lessen the use of... Feb 11 2005, 11:16 AM racoons > you QUOTEI belive laundry detergent is also tested on ... Feb 11 2005, 11:51 AM sadolakced acid most school have classes sans disection.
QUOTEi... Feb 11 2005, 04:50 PM angel_eyez102 Personaly, i don't mind doing things to alread... Feb 11 2005, 10:26 PM sammi rules you ^ i think she means bestiality..which has nothing ... Feb 12 2005, 10:43 AM sammi rules you ^ and, if a kid got in a fire and there's like... Feb 12 2005, 05:11 PM Paradox of Life Bah, I'm a major animal supporter and I think ... Feb 12 2005, 10:34 PM lakerfever2476 I think it's wrong. Ever heard of posters? Dia... Feb 13 2005, 01:41 AM sadolakced acid pyrithione zinc is the active ingredent in Garnier... Feb 13 2005, 02:11 AM sadolakced acid The last post was just too long for an edit to add... Feb 13 2005, 02:24 AM racoons > you ithink you've won the debate to be honest
i r... Feb 13 2005, 07:41 AM eunie03 I am well aware of what emesis means... don't ... Feb 13 2005, 11:58 AM sadolakced acid well that's not fun...
someone should try t... Feb 13 2005, 12:00 PM racoons > you cant be assed. revel in your victory
QUOTEGod... ... Feb 13 2005, 12:05 PM eunie03 QUOTE(MarchHare2UrAlice @ Feb 13 2005, 12:05 ... Feb 15 2005, 04:29 PM sammi rules you we don't want to. you're intelligent, we l... Feb 14 2005, 07:54 PM CrimsonArchangel Well... I certainly cannot given that I agree with... Feb 15 2005, 11:30 AM racoons > you can we close this? i mean, it would be nice to end... Feb 15 2005, 11:31 AM racoons > you ^^
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