is it animal cruelty? Options

[CrimsonArchangel]

No, this is not about fur, or wool or anything like that.

Its about science. Many of you have had to dissect several creatures for bio class, most likely. Today I had to do the frog ringer lab, where a frog has its brain removed (is it really dead?) and then we have to dissect it and add chemicals to its heart to see what happens, then add a third one that will kill it.

Now I ask. Despite the fact that many of those animals are bred for that purpose, "to further science", should we use animals as dissection subjects? Or should we just make plastic models and the such?

Is it animal cruelty to breed animals for the purpose of being cut up by students just to learn?

[sadolakced acid]

They are to me.

The government gets money from it... that makes everything right, doesn't it?
I could name a number of things wrong with the government (as I'm sure anyone can)... but let's not get into that.

That's why there are vegetarians and vegans, my dear.

If your mother and a lab assistant were in a drawing.... you would no doubt save your mother.

Are you being cruel?


(I hope you guys don't think I'm attacking you. I see your side....)

animals and humans may be equal to you. they are to some people. those people happen to annoy me, because animals don't care about being equal. in the animal world, no one is equal. there is always an alpha, and always an omega.

anyways: an animal cannot speak to defend it's rights. It is not equal to humans, because they are not humans.

[Spirited Away]

anyways:  an animal cannot speak to defend it's rights.  It is not equal to humans, because they are not humans.

Though I see your point, but I must also say that some mentally disabled humans cannot speak to defend their rights either. Does that mean they do not have a right to life?

I do not believe humans and animals are equal simply because I believe in survival of the fittest. But you know, we are here to survive foremost but we live beyond that. We know and understand love (most of us anyway), experience morality first hand... etc. Animals may not know love and morality as we do, but they have their own laws and ethics, which is called nature. They kill because it is in their nature to do so in order to survive and it would make sense that we kill them to survive as well. However, killing them in countless painful, bloody ways such as injecting chemicals in them are not always necessary for our survival.

Because I, too, care for human life more than the life of lower species (with rare exceptions), I think that animals should be used, if need be, for our security. But can using them to test makeup and the likes be called a "need"?

I should hope not, else I would be lead to believe we all have truly lost our morals and our common sense.