is it animal cruelty? Options

[CrimsonArchangel]

No, this is not about fur, or wool or anything like that.

Its about science. Many of you have had to dissect several creatures for bio class, most likely. Today I had to do the frog ringer lab, where a frog has its brain removed (is it really dead?) and then we have to dissect it and add chemicals to its heart to see what happens, then add a third one that will kill it.

Now I ask. Despite the fact that many of those animals are bred for that purpose, "to further science", should we use animals as dissection subjects? Or should we just make plastic models and the such?

Is it animal cruelty to breed animals for the purpose of being cut up by students just to learn?

[sadolakced acid]

im2tall, you know that formaldehyde isn't actually used to preserve the animals?

formalin is used, which is basically a 10% formaldehyde solution.

If they want it so bad, make them test it on their face. Rather than testing HUMAN make-up on rabbits, why don't you risk those human's faces, lives, whatever. It's not like the rabbits are gonna wear blush, for Christ's sake.

because we are human. we care more about the life of a human than an animal. it's they way things are. Humans and animals are not equal. you can't get life in prision if you shoot an animal. in fact, it's legal. the government gets money from it.
Note: these animals are bred for the purpose. Only when you get to cats and dogs are they actual pets, and then it's from a shelter that has to put them to sleep anyways. Monkeys and primates, however, are activley captured. they are, however, nessicary.

Plastics do not need to be hard and unrealistic....

There are ways to make plastics like the real thing, I'm sure...

There are sex toys that feel like the real thing. Why not just make the rest of our body parts feel like the real thing since we can already make certain parts?

the problem is these organs are not the real thing... you don't actually disect them. you pull them apart at the handles.

I'd like to see a plastic model that correctly simulates facae so the students can learn how to pull skin off of an animal without damaging muscles.

we can sythesis skin pretty well; but can we synthesis the way muscles are held together? how about the layers of skin?

no, because you DONT DISSECT THEM ALIVE.



unless they are killed purposely [are they]?

some disections are done on live animals. All laboratory animals, to my knowledge, are killed purposely.

yes but on the flip side there are things which, whn tested on animals which dont cause any effect, but do in humans

like one asthma medication caused a thousand deaths when released herre over a couple year period, with side effects which scientists were unable to reproduce in animals even when they tried

yes; but it still remains. testing on animals has saved more lives than 911.

[Spirited Away]

I'd like to see a plastic model that correctly simulates facae so the students can learn how to pull skin off of an animal without damaging muscles. 

I'm not sure if all surgeries require such extensive detail on all the parts. On the parts that we can emulate, use plastics, on the parts that we cannot, use the real thing. At the very least, we can lessen the use of real parts.

I'd like to see a plastic model that correctly simulates facae so the students can learn how to pull skin off of an animal without damaging muscles.

we can sythesis skin pretty well; but can we synthesis the way muscles are held together? how about the layers of skin?

I think if some scientists, technicians, or whatever you call them, put their mind to it, they can come up with something.