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Democracy & Strict Separation of Church and State
*Kathleen*
post Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
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Resolved: Democracy is best served with a strict separation of church and state.

Okay...now...just post about what you believe in. I need some practice for the next two months' LD debate.
 
 
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anoniez
post Jan 24 2005, 07:32 PM
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Alright, first of all, I must now retire from the battlefield, as this (and cB in general) is interfering way too much with my schoolwork. But I'll make a few token arguments, and thank you very very much, it's been extremely informative and entertaining. _smile.gif

Oops, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that not everyone is familiar with debate terminology. OK well you are on the affirmative side, which is for strict separation of church and state. I am on the negative, negating the resolution (saying that democracy is NOT best served by a strict separation of church and state).
I guess I should've phrased it more clearly- as the affirmative, you are restricting people's right to vote, because to keep the church (regardless of definition) from influencing the state, you must not allow citizens who are members of the church to vote, because that would be influencing the state.

I am a her. biggrin.gif
Yeah, it's just that I've had that phrase used on me a bit too many times. So I go up in flames. Heheh. :p Shouldn't do that.

Well, referring to the absolute separation of church and state, you could contradict my definition that strict means absolute, and say that it means rigid. That would get around the absolute/not absolute thing.

'church' doesn't always have to mean Christian. I'm sure there are other religions that have churches. And that's the definition right there in the dictionary, even with a little example saying 'separation of church and state.' This shows that that definition is what the resolution is clearly referring to.
PLUS- the 'Church' is the Christian church. the 'church' (not capitalized, like in the resolution) is the definition from the dictionary. If you want to get nitpicky about grammar. heheh.

Addressing loose separation: For example, you can have oil and water mixed together in a beaker. They are in the same container and mixture(the government), yet they are still separate, but are both in the government. The oil(religion) is still in the beaker, and part of the mixture. By making religion part of government, which is what we're doing with a loose separation (permitting religion into the government in certain situations), we make it able to be affected by the government in situations.

But yeah.. that's a problem I've been encountering in my rounds- judges don't understand the definition of 'loose/moderate separation' clearly enough. hmm.

Oh, and I was referring to the 'minority' as atheists. (in response to touch my monkey)

hmm. I wonder where the original creator of this post is, and if she got anything out of this. ermm.gif
Alright, well I bid thee adieu. tongue.gif I'm going to try to stick to my resolution of no more cB, at least until spring break or so. good luck all.
 

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Kathleen   Democracy & Strict Separation of Church and State   Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
azn_r4pf4n   good job, praticing on debate, haha. yep, that...   Jan 15 2005, 08:25 PM
sadolakced acid   yes, democracy need strict separation of church an...   Jan 15 2005, 08:34 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEgood job, praticing on debate, haha. yep, t...   Jan 16 2005, 07:04 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 4:04 PM) [Remem...   Jan 16 2005, 09:22 PM
tweeak   i think that separation often gets out of hand at ...   Jan 16 2005, 08:29 PM
Azn Kid from NY   QUOTEOur morals, beliefs, and values come from rel...   Jan 16 2005, 08:42 PM
Kathleen   QUOTETHAT RIGHT THERE is the exact reason there sh...   Jan 16 2005, 09:33 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 6:33 PM) Right,...   Jan 16 2005, 09:58 PM
Azn Kid from NY   actually i DID read ur entire Post.....and its a l...   Jan 16 2005, 09:59 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 6:59 PM)...   Jan 16 2005, 10:01 PM
Azn Kid from NY   ok...i could respond and rip Kathleens ignorant po...   Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM...   Jan 17 2005, 04:21 PM
avalon*   hm. i think that the country should stay the way i...   Jan 16 2005, 10:11 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(allthatglitterss @ Jan 16 2005, 7:11 PM...   Jan 16 2005, 10:34 PM
Kathleen   Wow. Thanks for all of that information, azn_r4pf4...   Jan 16 2005, 10:23 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEno prob. ya thats true, the seperation of chr...   Jan 16 2005, 10:45 PM
sadolakced acid   there is however the first admendment. Freedom ...   Jan 17 2005, 01:15 AM
iiiiiiiYON   LET FAiTH RUN YOUR LiFE...   Jan 17 2005, 02:06 AM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(iiiiiiiYON @ Jan 16 2005, 11:06 PM)LET ...   Jan 17 2005, 01:11 PM
sadolakced acid   I have faith that those two posts are NOT supporte...   Jan 17 2005, 01:53 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 10:53 AM...   Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM
tweeak   on the subject of the pledge of allegance banning,...   Jan 17 2005, 02:22 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEthere is however the first admendment. Free...   Jan 17 2005, 02:58 PM
sadolakced acid   because then the people who are not monotheistic a...   Jan 17 2005, 04:01 PM
sadolakced acid   because i do not wish to have to acknowledge god e...   Jan 17 2005, 04:37 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 4:37 PM)...   Jan 17 2005, 04:49 PM
sadolakced acid   it's not my religion to acknowledge that there...   Jan 17 2005, 06:10 PM
tweeak   but youre perfectly willing to ackowlage God every...   Jan 17 2005, 06:21 PM
anoniez   hey.. i have to admit that I haven't read the ...   Jan 17 2005, 10:36 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEhey.. i wasn't debating right there, lol....   Jan 17 2005, 11:00 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 8:00 PM)...   Jan 17 2005, 11:55 PM
anoniez   actually, de·moc·ra·cy n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies ...   Jan 17 2005, 11:36 PM
sadolakced acid   No, the united states is a republic. I pledge a...   Jan 17 2005, 11:41 PM
anoniez   A republic is a form of government where the head ...   Jan 18 2005, 12:05 AM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 9:05 PM)A republ...   Jan 18 2005, 12:26 AM
anoniez   QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 17 2005, 11:26 PM)I ju...   Jan 18 2005, 12:55 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM)A repub...   Jan 18 2005, 04:49 PM
tweeak   its a representitive democracy, also known as a re...   Jan 18 2005, 03:26 PM
tweeak   a republic is like a democracy, where the people v...   Jan 18 2005, 05:13 PM
anoniez   sadolakced acid: With all due respect, your defin...   Jan 18 2005, 08:07 PM
sadolakced acid   you are using a contemporary definition. It is a...   Jan 18 2005, 09:19 PM
anoniez   Since I find it annoying and unnecessarily aggress...   Jan 18 2005, 10:05 PM
sadolakced acid   Please tell me the last time you voted on a nation...   Jan 18 2005, 10:11 PM
anoniez   That's why it's a representative democracy...   Jan 18 2005, 10:39 PM
sadolakced acid   The edit is an argument that democracy will be rui...   Jan 18 2005, 10:43 PM
anoniez   ohhh, gotcha. I think that most people would agre...   Jan 18 2005, 11:09 PM
Spirited Away   Very interesting read so far. Say the majority of...   Jan 18 2005, 11:14 PM
sadolakced acid   A democracy has the power to destory itself. it...   Jan 18 2005, 11:57 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEA democracy has the power to destory itself. ...   Jan 19 2005, 12:02 AM
sadolakced acid   hmm... well, by it's nature a democracy can ...   Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM...   Jan 19 2005, 12:07 AM
anoniez   yes, basically what the negative is saying is that...   Jan 19 2005, 12:56 AM
Spirited Away   Well, I guess I'll try..... *shrugs*. How lo...   Jan 19 2005, 01:14 AM
anoniez   We could just say to continue on as we are now- I ...   Jan 19 2005, 08:37 PM
Spirited Away   jefferson has more to say, will post more later. ...   Jan 19 2005, 09:33 PM
anoniez   Well, your first and second quotes, at least, seem...   Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM)Well, y...   Jan 20 2005, 10:46 PM
anoniez   QUOTEFor example, if you are Christian, would you ...   Jan 21 2005, 08:59 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 21 2005, 8:59 PM)I'll...   Jan 21 2005, 10:19 PM
racoons > you   QUOTEwould think that most debaters would agree th...   Jan 21 2005, 03:30 PM
tweeak   it doesnt matter, hes a cool british newbie hes a...   Jan 21 2005, 09:35 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTESo then my question is, would a Christian fee...   Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM)lol,...   Jan 22 2005, 02:46 PM
Spirited Away   Well, what I was leading into was this: If we agr...   Jan 22 2005, 12:04 AM
sadolakced acid   traditionally, the two ways to take over a country...   Jan 22 2005, 02:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 22 2005, 2:27 PM)...   Jan 22 2005, 04:52 PM
racoons > you   shut up, darling whom i adore   Jan 22 2005, 03:08 PM
tweeak   see, i shouldnt bother. i was working in your defe...   Jan 22 2005, 03:10 PM
racoons > you   i know. im just not particularly friendly   Jan 22 2005, 03:11 PM
tweeak   im aware   Jan 22 2005, 03:12 PM
sammehmyst   No. There will always be, even if it's a small...   Jan 22 2005, 06:17 PM
anoniez   oh my. It seems that we have some major, major mis...   Jan 22 2005, 07:24 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 22 2005, 7:24 PM)oh my. I...   Jan 22 2005, 09:49 PM
anoniez   QUOTEI had a long response in tow and then one cli...   Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM)Argh. s...   Jan 23 2005, 01:15 AM
anoniez   QUOTEIt wouldn't be fair to refer other religi...   Jan 23 2005, 06:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 6:40 PM)If we di...   Jan 24 2005, 06:35 PM
sammi rules you   ^ i agree (besides the having doubts on homosexual...   Jan 23 2005, 02:43 PM
anoniez   Alright, first of all, I must now retire from the ...   Jan 24 2005, 07:32 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 24 2005, 7:32 PM)hmm. I w...   Jan 24 2005, 08:10 PM
sadolakced acid   i believe that the word 'church' is synono...   Jan 25 2005, 09:40 PM
Spirited Away   Wait, what does that mean?   Jan 25 2005, 11:53 PM
sadolakced acid   i've heard the word "church" used as...   Jan 27 2005, 03:56 PM
Spirited Away   Oh, that's the first time I've heard of th...   Jan 27 2005, 06:55 PM
xGlovex   [QUOTE]Our morals, beliefs, and values come from r...   Feb 3 2005, 12:53 PM


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