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 Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
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Resolved: Democracy is best served with a strict separation of church and state.
Okay...now...just post about what you believe in. I need some practice for the next two months' LD debate. |
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Jan 18 2005, 10:05 PM
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Since I find it annoying and unnecessarily aggressive when people go through and quote each part of someone's post to argue against it, I'll just outline my main points:
1) Yes, I am using a contemporary definition, which in my view is more valid than an antiquated definition of requiring "direct" democracy- however, I have not modified it in any way to make the phrase "The United States is a democracy" correct. That is simply the official definition of democracy according to the American Heritage Dictionary. 2) The Pledge of Allegiance is symbolic. You can't use the Pledge of Allegiance to define a whole nation's government. And like I said, a democracy is a republic. It's just a more specific term. 3) You said it. Democracy and republic aren't mutually exclusive. And if municipal governments can be democracies, why not national governments? Don't they both vote through a system of representatives? What's preventing a national government from being a democracy when it operates on essentially the same system as a municipal government, only on a larger scale? You'll have to explain this argument more, because I don't understand where you're coming from on this. btw- this is turning out to be quite an interesting and enjoyable debate. i never thought online debates could be like this, and I'm coming up with some cool new ideas for my cases. Thanks! 
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Kathleen Democracy & Strict Separation of Church and State Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
azn_r4pf4n good job, praticing on debate, haha.
yep, that... Jan 15 2005, 08:25 PM sadolakced acid yes, democracy need strict separation of church an... Jan 15 2005, 08:34 PM Kathleen QUOTEgood job, praticing on debate, haha.
yep, t... Jan 16 2005, 07:04 PM
azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 4:04 PM)
[Remem... Jan 16 2005, 09:22 PM tweeak i think that separation often gets out of hand at ... Jan 16 2005, 08:29 PM Azn Kid from NY QUOTEOur morals, beliefs, and values come from rel... Jan 16 2005, 08:42 PM Kathleen QUOTETHAT RIGHT THERE is the exact reason there sh... Jan 16 2005, 09:33 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 6:33 PM)
Right,... Jan 16 2005, 09:58 PM Azn Kid from NY actually i DID read ur entire Post.....and its a l... Jan 16 2005, 09:59 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 6:59 PM)... Jan 16 2005, 10:01 PM Azn Kid from NY ok...i could respond and rip Kathleens ignorant po... Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM kryogenix QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM... Jan 17 2005, 04:21 PM avalon* hm. i think that the country should stay the way i... Jan 16 2005, 10:11 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(allthatglitterss @ Jan 16 2005, 7:11 PM... Jan 16 2005, 10:34 PM Kathleen Wow. Thanks for all of that information, azn_r4pf4... Jan 16 2005, 10:23 PM Kathleen QUOTEno prob. ya thats true, the seperation of chr... Jan 16 2005, 10:45 PM sadolakced acid there is however the first admendment.
Freedom ... Jan 17 2005, 01:15 AM iiiiiiiYON LET FAiTH RUN YOUR LiFE... Jan 17 2005, 02:06 AM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(iiiiiiiYON @ Jan 16 2005, 11:06 PM)LET ... Jan 17 2005, 01:11 PM sadolakced acid I have faith that those two posts are NOT supporte... Jan 17 2005, 01:53 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 10:53 AM... Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM tweeak on the subject of the pledge of allegance banning,... Jan 17 2005, 02:22 PM Kathleen QUOTEthere is however the first admendment.
Free... Jan 17 2005, 02:58 PM sadolakced acid because then the people who are not monotheistic a... Jan 17 2005, 04:01 PM sadolakced acid because i do not wish to have to acknowledge god e... Jan 17 2005, 04:37 PM kryogenix QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 4:37 PM)... Jan 17 2005, 04:49 PM sadolakced acid it's not my religion to acknowledge that there... Jan 17 2005, 06:10 PM tweeak but youre perfectly willing to ackowlage God every... Jan 17 2005, 06:21 PM anoniez hey.. i have to admit that I haven't read the ... Jan 17 2005, 10:36 PM sadolakced acid QUOTEhey.. i wasn't debating right there, lol.... Jan 17 2005, 11:00 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 8:00 PM)... Jan 17 2005, 11:55 PM anoniez actually,
de·moc·ra·cy
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
... Jan 17 2005, 11:36 PM sadolakced acid No, the united states is a republic.
I pledge a... Jan 17 2005, 11:41 PM anoniez A republic is a form of government where the head ... Jan 18 2005, 12:05 AM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 9:05 PM)A republ... Jan 18 2005, 12:26 AM anoniez QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 17 2005, 11:26 PM)I ju... Jan 18 2005, 12:55 AM sadolakced acid QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM)A repub... Jan 18 2005, 04:49 PM tweeak its a representitive democracy, also known as a re... Jan 18 2005, 03:26 PM tweeak a republic is like a democracy, where the people v... Jan 18 2005, 05:13 PM anoniez sadolakced acid:
With all due respect, your defin... Jan 18 2005, 08:07 PM sadolakced acid you are using a contemporary definition. It is a... Jan 18 2005, 09:19 PM sadolakced acid Please tell me the last time you voted on a nation... Jan 18 2005, 10:11 PM anoniez That's why it's a representative democracy... Jan 18 2005, 10:39 PM sadolakced acid The edit is an argument that democracy will be rui... Jan 18 2005, 10:43 PM anoniez ohhh, gotcha.
I think that most people would agre... Jan 18 2005, 11:09 PM Spirited Away Very interesting read so far.
Say the majority of... Jan 18 2005, 11:14 PM sadolakced acid A democracy has the power to destory itself.
it... Jan 18 2005, 11:57 PM Spirited Away QUOTEA democracy has the power to destory itself.
... Jan 19 2005, 12:02 AM sadolakced acid hmm...
well, by it's nature a democracy can ... Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM... Jan 19 2005, 12:07 AM anoniez yes, basically what the negative is saying is that... Jan 19 2005, 12:56 AM Spirited Away Well, I guess I'll try..... *shrugs*.
How lo... Jan 19 2005, 01:14 AM anoniez We could just say to continue on as we are now- I ... Jan 19 2005, 08:37 PM Spirited Away jefferson has more to say, will post more later.
... Jan 19 2005, 09:33 PM anoniez Well, your first and second quotes, at least, seem... Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM)Well, y... Jan 20 2005, 10:46 PM anoniez QUOTEFor example, if you are Christian, would you ... Jan 21 2005, 08:59 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 21 2005, 8:59 PM)I'll... Jan 21 2005, 10:19 PM racoons > you QUOTEwould think that most debaters would agree th... Jan 21 2005, 03:30 PM tweeak it doesnt matter, hes a cool british newbie
hes a... Jan 21 2005, 09:35 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTESo then my question is, would a Christian fee... Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM tweeak QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM)lol,... Jan 22 2005, 02:46 PM Spirited Away Well, what I was leading into was this:
If we agr... Jan 22 2005, 12:04 AM sadolakced acid traditionally, the two ways to take over a country... Jan 22 2005, 02:27 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 22 2005, 2:27 PM)... Jan 22 2005, 04:52 PM racoons > you shut up, darling whom i adore Jan 22 2005, 03:08 PM tweeak see, i shouldnt bother. i was working in your defe... Jan 22 2005, 03:10 PM racoons > you i know. im just not particularly friendly Jan 22 2005, 03:11 PM tweeak im aware Jan 22 2005, 03:12 PM sammehmyst No. There will always be, even if it's a small... Jan 22 2005, 06:17 PM anoniez oh my.
It seems that we have some major, major mis... Jan 22 2005, 07:24 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 22 2005, 7:24 PM)oh my.
I... Jan 22 2005, 09:49 PM anoniez QUOTEI had a long response in tow and then one cli... Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM)Argh. s... Jan 23 2005, 01:15 AM anoniez QUOTEIt wouldn't be fair to refer other religi... Jan 23 2005, 06:40 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 6:40 PM)If we di... Jan 24 2005, 06:35 PM sammi rules you ^ i agree (besides the having doubts on homosexual... Jan 23 2005, 02:43 PM anoniez Alright, first of all, I must now retire from the ... Jan 24 2005, 07:32 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 24 2005, 7:32 PM)hmm. I w... Jan 24 2005, 08:10 PM sadolakced acid i believe that the word 'church' is synono... Jan 25 2005, 09:40 PM Spirited Away Wait, what does that mean? Jan 25 2005, 11:53 PM sadolakced acid i've heard the word "church" used as... Jan 27 2005, 03:56 PM Spirited Away Oh, that's the first time I've heard of th... Jan 27 2005, 06:55 PM xGlovex [QUOTE]Our morals, beliefs, and values come from r... Feb 3 2005, 12:53 PM |
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