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 Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
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Resolved: Democracy is best served with a strict separation of church and state.
Okay...now...just post about what you believe in. I need some practice for the next two months' LD debate. |
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Jan 17 2005, 11:41 PM
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 dripping destruction  Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
No, the united states is a republic.
I pledge allegaince to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. you really should have known that. anyways: here's a parody pledge i made in the elections: i pledge allegaince to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republicans, and the democrats. One nation, under bush, divided, with liberty and justice for half. just added that... no real reason. |
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Jan 18 2005, 12:05 AM
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A republic is a form of government where the head of state is not a monarch. This specifies nothing about whether or not the state is a democracy, therefore the term 'republic' is not mutually exclusive to democracy. So, saying the U.S. is a republic cannot refute the statement that it is also a democracy. And since the United States fits the definition of democracy, in which government is by the people and exercised through elected representatives, it must be democratic. Therefore it is a democratic republic.
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Jan 18 2005, 04:49 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM) A republic is a form of government where the head of state is not a monarch. This specifies nothing about whether or not the state is a democracy, therefore the term 'republic' is not mutually exclusive to democracy. So, saying the U.S. is a republic cannot refute the statement that it is also a democracy. And since the United States fits the definition of democracy, in which government is by the people and exercised through elected representatives, it must be democratic. Therefore it is a democratic republic.  with all due respect, you are wrong. utterly and completely wrong. a republic is where the people choose someone to represent them and make thier choices. a democracy is where everyone votes on everything. when was the last time you voted for the procedures for importing cabbages into the united states? if we were a democracy on the national level in any form, you would have (if you could vote) On the national level, we are simply a republic. the only democracy is a town meeting. upon which i will use that as democracy. in a town meeting; the people can voice thier opinions. Mob mentality can arise. A majority can easily pick on a minority. the introduction of religion into this causes the democracy to crumble. because there are religious leaders in and of themselves, who are not elected. These leaders can use thier religious influence to sway a majority. In effect; if religion is introduced into democracy; the church MUST allow EVERYONE (even non-members) to vote on ALL church actions, including who the leaders are. this is not something that religion will allow, and therefore religion needs to remain separate from democracy. |
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Kathleen Democracy & Strict Separation of Church and State Jan 15 2005, 07:48 PM
azn_r4pf4n good job, praticing on debate, haha.
yep, that... Jan 15 2005, 08:25 PM sadolakced acid yes, democracy need strict separation of church an... Jan 15 2005, 08:34 PM Kathleen QUOTEgood job, praticing on debate, haha.
yep, t... Jan 16 2005, 07:04 PM
azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 4:04 PM)
[Remem... Jan 16 2005, 09:22 PM tweeak i think that separation often gets out of hand at ... Jan 16 2005, 08:29 PM Azn Kid from NY QUOTEOur morals, beliefs, and values come from rel... Jan 16 2005, 08:42 PM Kathleen QUOTETHAT RIGHT THERE is the exact reason there sh... Jan 16 2005, 09:33 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jan 16 2005, 6:33 PM)
Right,... Jan 16 2005, 09:58 PM Azn Kid from NY actually i DID read ur entire Post.....and its a l... Jan 16 2005, 09:59 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 6:59 PM)... Jan 16 2005, 10:01 PM Azn Kid from NY ok...i could respond and rip Kathleens ignorant po... Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM kryogenix QUOTE(Azn Kid from NY @ Jan 16 2005, 10:09 PM... Jan 17 2005, 04:21 PM avalon* hm. i think that the country should stay the way i... Jan 16 2005, 10:11 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(allthatglitterss @ Jan 16 2005, 7:11 PM... Jan 16 2005, 10:34 PM Kathleen Wow. Thanks for all of that information, azn_r4pf4... Jan 16 2005, 10:23 PM Kathleen QUOTEno prob. ya thats true, the seperation of chr... Jan 16 2005, 10:45 PM sadolakced acid there is however the first admendment.
Freedom ... Jan 17 2005, 01:15 AM iiiiiiiYON LET FAiTH RUN YOUR LiFE... Jan 17 2005, 02:06 AM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(iiiiiiiYON @ Jan 16 2005, 11:06 PM)LET ... Jan 17 2005, 01:11 PM sadolakced acid I have faith that those two posts are NOT supporte... Jan 17 2005, 01:53 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 10:53 AM... Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM tweeak on the subject of the pledge of allegance banning,... Jan 17 2005, 02:22 PM Kathleen QUOTEthere is however the first admendment.
Free... Jan 17 2005, 02:58 PM sadolakced acid because then the people who are not monotheistic a... Jan 17 2005, 04:01 PM sadolakced acid because i do not wish to have to acknowledge god e... Jan 17 2005, 04:37 PM kryogenix QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 4:37 PM)... Jan 17 2005, 04:49 PM sadolakced acid it's not my religion to acknowledge that there... Jan 17 2005, 06:10 PM tweeak but youre perfectly willing to ackowlage God every... Jan 17 2005, 06:21 PM anoniez hey.. i have to admit that I haven't read the ... Jan 17 2005, 10:36 PM sadolakced acid QUOTEhey.. i wasn't debating right there, lol.... Jan 17 2005, 11:00 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 17 2005, 8:00 PM)... Jan 17 2005, 11:55 PM anoniez actually,
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... Jan 17 2005, 11:36 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 17 2005, 9:05 PM)A republ... Jan 18 2005, 12:26 AM anoniez QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 17 2005, 11:26 PM)I ju... Jan 18 2005, 12:55 AM tweeak its a representitive democracy, also known as a re... Jan 18 2005, 03:26 PM tweeak a republic is like a democracy, where the people v... Jan 18 2005, 05:13 PM anoniez sadolakced acid:
With all due respect, your defin... Jan 18 2005, 08:07 PM sadolakced acid you are using a contemporary definition. It is a... Jan 18 2005, 09:19 PM anoniez Since I find it annoying and unnecessarily aggress... Jan 18 2005, 10:05 PM sadolakced acid Please tell me the last time you voted on a nation... Jan 18 2005, 10:11 PM anoniez That's why it's a representative democracy... Jan 18 2005, 10:39 PM sadolakced acid The edit is an argument that democracy will be rui... Jan 18 2005, 10:43 PM anoniez ohhh, gotcha.
I think that most people would agre... Jan 18 2005, 11:09 PM Spirited Away Very interesting read so far.
Say the majority of... Jan 18 2005, 11:14 PM sadolakced acid A democracy has the power to destory itself.
it... Jan 18 2005, 11:57 PM Spirited Away QUOTEA democracy has the power to destory itself.
... Jan 19 2005, 12:02 AM sadolakced acid hmm...
well, by it's nature a democracy can ... Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 19 2005, 12:04 AM... Jan 19 2005, 12:07 AM anoniez yes, basically what the negative is saying is that... Jan 19 2005, 12:56 AM Spirited Away Well, I guess I'll try..... *shrugs*.
How lo... Jan 19 2005, 01:14 AM anoniez We could just say to continue on as we are now- I ... Jan 19 2005, 08:37 PM Spirited Away jefferson has more to say, will post more later.
... Jan 19 2005, 09:33 PM anoniez Well, your first and second quotes, at least, seem... Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 20 2005, 10:16 PM)Well, y... Jan 20 2005, 10:46 PM anoniez QUOTEFor example, if you are Christian, would you ... Jan 21 2005, 08:59 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 21 2005, 8:59 PM)I'll... Jan 21 2005, 10:19 PM racoons > you QUOTEwould think that most debaters would agree th... Jan 21 2005, 03:30 PM tweeak it doesnt matter, hes a cool british newbie
hes a... Jan 21 2005, 09:35 PM azn_r4pf4n QUOTESo then my question is, would a Christian fee... Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM tweeak QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Jan 21 2005, 11:56 PM)lol,... Jan 22 2005, 02:46 PM Spirited Away Well, what I was leading into was this:
If we agr... Jan 22 2005, 12:04 AM sadolakced acid traditionally, the two ways to take over a country... Jan 22 2005, 02:27 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 22 2005, 2:27 PM)... Jan 22 2005, 04:52 PM racoons > you shut up, darling whom i adore Jan 22 2005, 03:08 PM tweeak see, i shouldnt bother. i was working in your defe... Jan 22 2005, 03:10 PM racoons > you i know. im just not particularly friendly Jan 22 2005, 03:11 PM tweeak im aware Jan 22 2005, 03:12 PM sammehmyst No. There will always be, even if it's a small... Jan 22 2005, 06:17 PM anoniez oh my.
It seems that we have some major, major mis... Jan 22 2005, 07:24 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 22 2005, 7:24 PM)oh my.
I... Jan 22 2005, 09:49 PM anoniez QUOTEI had a long response in tow and then one cli... Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 12:21 AM)Argh. s... Jan 23 2005, 01:15 AM anoniez QUOTEIt wouldn't be fair to refer other religi... Jan 23 2005, 06:40 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 23 2005, 6:40 PM)If we di... Jan 24 2005, 06:35 PM sammi rules you ^ i agree (besides the having doubts on homosexual... Jan 23 2005, 02:43 PM anoniez Alright, first of all, I must now retire from the ... Jan 24 2005, 07:32 PM Spirited Away QUOTE(anoniez @ Jan 24 2005, 7:32 PM)hmm. I w... Jan 24 2005, 08:10 PM sadolakced acid i believe that the word 'church' is synono... Jan 25 2005, 09:40 PM Spirited Away Wait, what does that mean? Jan 25 2005, 11:53 PM sadolakced acid i've heard the word "church" used as... Jan 27 2005, 03:56 PM Spirited Away Oh, that's the first time I've heard of th... Jan 27 2005, 06:55 PM xGlovex [QUOTE]Our morals, beliefs, and values come from r... Feb 3 2005, 12:53 PM |
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