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science vs religon, which one is important and needed ?
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post Dec 24 2004, 08:39 PM
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i think this is a tricky question if you think about it.

is science important or .. religon ? why tho .. ?

Religon helps make people safer . It help you to become a better person. Religon is mainly about beliefs and how to become a better person . . . the problem is . . did anyone prove that gods existed ? etc ..

Science helps people to be safe. Science tell us what to aware of. Without science, we wouldnt know where we are, what is safe? .. such as planets or universe ..... etc ..


if you think carefully, it could be tricky, you dont know which one is " more " important

do you people understand what i'm saiding ? just think bout it.

tell me what you think ? wink.gif
 
 
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post Dec 29 2004, 09:27 PM
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Is religion or science important? I think...they are both important. Without religion, we would've never gotten to where we are--little, if no morals, virtues, sense of what's right and wrong, and the like. In my opinion, we'd be in a lot of trouble if we were without those. People running amuck, killing what they wished, doing what they wanted--no sense of order. (Why would the government or police be any different if nothing taught them to be virtuous?)

Think back, far back in the Middle Ages...if there was no religion, people would have no purpose. Their only hope was to live as best they could (which was horribly at most) for a chance at salvation. Then, religion was their life. Religion that stated morality and what was right. The same religion that influences many of us today, consciously or not. What do they have to do with us, you ask? A seedling with weak roots cannot grow into a stable tree, can it?

Don't get me wrong, I love science--knowing why things work the way they do and applying that knowledge. Without science, we'd have no technology and that would be simply horrid, no? Imagine, no way of getting food (tools are a form or technology, more or less), less communication; life would be much more difficult. Diseases would wipe out entire continents, and I wouldn't be able to enjoy the special effects of my favorite movie. wink.gif Science has many practical uses for the individual as well as the whole. It makes life more understandable, in a way.

They say...religion is cosmic purpose and science is cosmic order. Both are important in various ways, each with their pros and cons. To ask which is more important is somewhat like asking which is better, apples or oranges. They're two different things with different uses.

Some final words. All of the above is my opinion, my speculation. I'm neither a devoutly religious person nor a grounded scientist, but a bit of both. Everyone will most likely have their own ideas, stemming from their differing backgrounds and personality. I do not intend to force these thoughts onto you, but humbly ask you to consider it all--consider with an open mind. (I didn't elaborate much on science, seeing how many other posts defend it already.) As for the overlapping beliefs, I believe them both. Perhaps they connect somehow, someway. Flame me, if you will--everyone does.
 
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QUOTE(melancholyfruition @ Dec 29 2004, 9:27 PM)
They say...religion is cosmic purpose and science is cosmic order. Both are important in various ways, each with their pros and cons.
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I like that idea, but what about those without religion? huh.gif Do we not have purpose?
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 29 2004, 8:08 PM)
I like that idea, but what about those without religion? huh.gif Do we not have purpose?
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*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

As for the false hope thing.... Are you sure? There are people out there who truly do believe in a heaven and the other place or reincarnation and such. And um, I think you've got that government part mixed up with laws. Perhaps our government was formed with some influence from religion, but religion is not wholly our government. It came with that separation of Church and State thing, if I recall correctly.

One last thing. Religion and science are two different things. With different variables. Different uses. Different aims. Too many things that vary. If we take out the foundation of our values, what would happen? If we never "got smarter" and make tools, where would we be? Religion reigned then, science now. Past and present. (Not that religion isn't still here, I just find it...not what it once was?)

All I'm trying to say is, if you're trying to find one definite answer. One certain, no opposition, crushing answer...I don't think there's one. (Seeing it varies per person) Perhaps for someone whose life isn't all that great, religion is more important. Maybe for a practical person, it's science. (Now, in no way am I saying all or only these people are like that.) As for me, I like both science and religion. Perhaps science a bit more, but...I can't ignore religion.

I'd have agreed with oranges too. ^.^ But that's just me.
 
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*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

I dissagree on that too. To some ppl morality can depend on their religion. But ppl w/out a religion can definitly be moral. And there are millions of ppl that DO have a religion that are NOT moral. If you compare a kid that goes to church every weekend w/ a kid thats never been to church. It doesn't mean that the kid that goes to church will turn out more moral. (usually when a kid is forced to go to church) It comes from w/in. Its like "you can take the girl out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the girl."

I agree w/ comeupon, 100%.

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Religion isn't false hope--it's given hope to so many people, and it has saved lives in its own ways.

I still think it is false hope. I never said it didn't give ppl hope. And true - life isn't good w/out hope. But the hope is fake. God isn't going to come and save your life if you are broke and living on the streets. Then all of a sudden become rich again. You have to do that yourself. And trust yourself. - be smart. You can't depend on the guy up there all the time.
 

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Spiritual Winged Aura   science vs religon   Dec 24 2004, 08:39 PM
Spirited Away   Religion has been the reason for many wars and per...   Dec 24 2004, 09:28 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   i meant overall , which is important ? science or ...   Dec 24 2004, 09:32 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEi meant overall , which is important ? scienc...   Dec 24 2004, 09:39 PM
sammi rules you   it depends on the person. religion (yes, there...   Dec 24 2004, 09:43 PM
fåll.tø.pïe©es   i can't choose just one.. they are both equall...   Dec 24 2004, 09:44 PM
darkphyre   I believe religion played an essential role in get...   Dec 24 2004, 10:05 PM
azn_r4pf4n   50/50. they're both good the same way. yes th...   Dec 24 2004, 10:25 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Dec 24 2004, 10:25 PM)i be...   Dec 24 2004, 10:30 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 24 2004, 7:30 PM)So...   Dec 24 2004, 11:24 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   darkphyre Posted on Dec 24 2004, 10:05 PM QUOTEI ...   Dec 25 2004, 12:50 AM
tungtwista   i think science is much more important. but why li...   Dec 25 2004, 12:55 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   tungtwista Posted on Dec 25 2004, 12:55 AM QUOTEi...   Dec 25 2004, 03:30 AM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(tungtwista @ Dec 24 2004, 9:55 PM)i thi...   Dec 25 2004, 12:45 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(aznxboredxperson @ Dec 25 2004, 12:50 A...   Dec 25 2004, 03:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Dec 24 2004, 11:24 PM)well...   Dec 25 2004, 03:42 PM
aznxdreamer   science is more believable and also, theres proof.   Dec 25 2004, 04:42 PM
sadolakced acid   science doesn't incude text telling it's f...   Dec 25 2004, 04:46 PM
sammi rules you   ^ i don't think the bible does either. people ...   Dec 25 2004, 07:05 PM
xquizit   QUOTE(Vaguely Aware @ Dec 25 2004, 8:05 PM)^ ...   Dec 25 2004, 07:33 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   darkphyre Posted on Dec 25 2004, 3:38 PM QUOTEExp...   Dec 25 2004, 07:45 PM
mechwarrior1989   QUOTEaznxdreamer Posted on Dec 25 2004, 4:42 PM w...   Jan 1 2005, 05:53 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(Vaguely Aware @ Dec 25 2004, 7:05 PM)^ ...   Dec 25 2004, 07:45 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(aznxboredxperson @ Dec 25 2004, 7:45 PM...   Dec 25 2004, 07:52 PM
tungtwista   like they say. you can never debate about religion...   Dec 25 2004, 07:55 PM
Tungster   QUOTE(tungtwista @ Dec 25 2004, 05:55 PM)...   May 3 2008, 07:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(aznxboredxperson @ Dec 25 2004, 7:45 PM...   Dec 25 2004, 10:43 PM
relicwcircuits   religion is basically belief in our ignorance   Dec 26 2004, 11:48 AM
Teesa   science is more important and needed, because all ...   Dec 26 2004, 11:19 PM
niez_cho   You spelled religion wrong. Well, I think both of...   Dec 27 2004, 01:46 AM
Sumiaki   Science. Both cause violence. But overall Religio...   Dec 27 2004, 01:53 AM
TreesTurnMeOn   Dear me...this is a tuffy. Here it goes. Religion...   Dec 27 2004, 01:43 PM
comeupon   QUOTEScience...It depends on what type of science ...   Dec 30 2004, 02:02 AM
mechwarrior1989   QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 27 2004, 12:43 PM)R...   Jan 1 2005, 05:59 PM
Weird addiction   To me,well uuh science is more important,consideri...   Dec 28 2004, 09:59 AM
ApunBindaas   This is hard, no doubt about it. I think people w...   Dec 28 2004, 10:13 AM
Ataryu   Well...if you want to get literal, then science is...   Dec 28 2004, 12:31 PM
can0_reo   SCIENCE is Defintely more important than religion....   Dec 28 2004, 07:55 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 27 2004, 1:43 PM)Sc...   Dec 28 2004, 11:23 PM
TreesTurnMeOn   QUOTE(darkphyre @ Dec 28 2004, 11:23 PM)Right...   Dec 28 2004, 11:56 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 28 2004, 11:56 PM)W...   Dec 30 2004, 05:14 PM
Spirited Away   ^^ If you didn't really know... yes, yes, it w...   Dec 29 2004, 12:03 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEScience...It depends on what type of science ...   Dec 29 2004, 02:09 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 29 2004, 2:09 PM)...   Dec 29 2004, 04:29 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   can0_reo Dec 28 2004, 7:55 PM QUOTEReligious p...   Dec 29 2004, 06:11 PM
melancholyfruition   Is religion or science important? I think...they a...   Dec 29 2004, 09:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(melancholyfruition @ Dec 29 2004, 9:27 ...   Dec 29 2004, 11:08 PM
melancholyfruition   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 29 2004, 8:08 PM)I ...   Dec 30 2004, 12:03 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(melancholyfruition @ Dec 30 2004, 12:03...   Dec 30 2004, 11:07 AM
can0_reo   QUOTE*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find...   Dec 30 2004, 04:46 PM
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