you can't have it both ways! Options

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is it fair that non-christians celebrate christmas with presents and christmas trees? i can't stand it when people openly say how they hate religion and christianity, then come christmas time, they brag about their christmas presents. that goes for easter too. people openly reject jesus christ's resurrection but they celebrate easter. and to add insult to injury, they completely change the meaning by having egghunts and bunnies.

-edit- uh yeah. you can't have it both ways! either become a christian and partake in our holidays, or stay an atheist/agnostic and don't celebrate our holidays, and don't change our holidays either!

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Uh, no.

Why is it that you think gifts are given for Christmas purposes?

Why is that the world and its holidays must seemingly revolve around Christmas?

Do some research. You know what, I've done it for you, all you people need to do is just read this, okay? Scroll down to the section where it says "Why do we give gifts at this time of year?". It's THAT SIMPLE.

Sunday School doesn't teach you about the world, you need to really look out there on your own.

Christians originally did NOT approve of giving gifts, therefore, it is NOT a Christian tradition, but rather, it was ADOPTED from Pagans.

GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!





Why don't you then? Who cares what's it's called. You people are the ones who don't want us calling Christmas, Christmas. We don't care either. Just QUIT HOGGING IN DECEMBER 25th saying that we don't have a right to hold celebration. That's RIDICULOUSLY DISCRIMINATING.




Those who taking the religious holiday and shoving the religious part out of the window ARE CHRISTIANS. PERIOD. Please do not say that it's the fault of Non-Christians that Christmas is what it is today because it isn't. Since BEFORE Christianity, Non-Christians already established a tradition of celebration on Dec. 25th, thus there is NO right or wrong way for us to celebrate it. It is CHRISTIANS who forget themselves and celebrate the day as they like.



No, I think the point is quite clear, or else I and others wouldn't come on as strongly as we are now.

Ummm.... first of all, you're giving gifts on Christmas. THat would make it Christmas gift. The occasion [I]is Christmas. The reason the world "seemingly revolves around Christams" is that it's been so commercialized. Retailers see it as a prime way or turning a higher profit. People get convinced they need to buy more and more presents.

It doesn't matter when gift giving was invented. Really it doesn't. I'm sure before the pagen there was someone who gave someone something in an act of goodwill. What matters is that they're CHRISTMAS gifts. You don't say, "Here's you're winter holiday gift"

Sunday school teaches you about your religion.............

The reason they didn't approve right away is that they thought the holiday should be about Jesus, not getting stuff. Well now look at the holiday... And it IS a Christian tradition. Why else have Christians been doing it for hundreds of years? If my family only started making cookies on Christmas anually 10 years ago, it's still a tradition.

No one is hogging it. No one is stopping you. All we're saying is that it seems wrong. And why don't athiests just celebrate their family and everything on the New Year? Surely that won't be much different if it has nothing to do with the religous significance of it. It seems like a good way to bring in the New Year... celebrate family and friends and exchanging gifts in preparation for the comming year.

How can Christians be the ones solely shoving the religous part out the window? Christian means you celebrate Christ. If you don't, you're not Christian.

Ok so other religions celebrated on Dec. 25? Are you now converted to Mithraism? The differenace is, their celebrating thier god, Mithris. They have thier holiday. Christians celebrate Christ. THat is thier holiday. You're celebrating getting stuff on a Christian holiday.


And lastly, how would you know what my point is?