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killing animals for art
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post Nov 29 2004, 10:59 AM
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http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/n...thalia_main.htm
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do you think it's okay to kill animals for art?

i do not support it, but it's not different than what society already does. people kill animals for fashion. shoes, belts, coats, ect. people kill animals for meat. these things are 'okay'. not only okay, but something people want. people hunt for sport then go stuffing the bodies and heads of animals to hang them on a wall.

we don't need meat to live. we don't have to wear real fur, you could wear faux fur...none of them are necessary. you could live without meat. art isn't necessary to live. however, she could of used a different way to get her point across, such as painting,

if she killed any animal but 'cute fluffy things' would anyone even care? if she used spiders, ants, roaches, i doubt anyone would think there was even an issue.
 
 
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post Dec 2 2004, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 2 2004, 5:52 PM)
animals should be treated with respect, etc. etc. 

but my gripe is with people (namely PETA)  who belive that pets are immoral, NO laboratory animals should be used, and who belive that fish should be anethietized before they are gutted on fishing ships.  (new PETA campaign) 

there are limits, and i belive certain animal activist groups are crossing them, and that's my gripe.

Sure, I think PETA is crazy sometimes, but it's because of their efforts that a lot of things the average person wouldn't know about are brought to the surface. They're like the third party candidates in presidential elections. Third party let people know what are things that the major party have conveniently forgetten to mention or have not made note to speak about. Similarly, PETA let people know things that people have forgotten about or do not know about.

I do believe that there are limits and that survival of the fittest demands that we must use whatever means possible to keep our kind on top of the food chain, in good health.. etc, but people like Nathalia Edenmont and those who support her "art" do not seem to care much for anything else but their own pleasures.


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as for the art:

i don't like it either. cat and mouse heads? it's not what i would want to see. but you can't censor it without censoring other stuff, and then you'd censor too much. so you must live with the bad ideas of the 'artist' in a sacrafice for the freedom of expresson. because to censor this would be violation of fundamental rights.


We censor music, those played on most stations, and public television (not cable), so why not art?

Self-expression is one thing, but killing an animal for the purpose of expressing oneself is sickening.

Lest we forget our place in this world, humans are considered to be animals. If we can kill an animal for the pleasure of gazing at it, calling it art, what is there to say that we can't stop someone from getting an aborted fetus (something killed) and displaying it as art. Next thing we know, people will be killing, murdering, raping other people and calling those acts "art".

There are limits set by the law and there are limits set by the human heart. Like in homosexuality, the law says it's illegal for them to marry, but in some of our hearts, we feel compassion towards their cause and want it to be legalized. So why would wanting the killing of animals for the sake of "art" to cease because our compassion ask so of us be any different?
 

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airam   killing animals for art   Nov 29 2004, 10:59 AM
pandamonium   i know its wrong but probably in the future they w...   Nov 29 2004, 11:03 AM
.kyan   i dont think its okay to kill animals for whatever...   Nov 29 2004, 02:58 PM
pandamonium   woah i just showed my friends and i didnt know you...   Nov 29 2004, 05:21 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEBut now they are so beautiful - and the insig...   Nov 29 2004, 06:15 PM
airam   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 29 2004, 5:21 PM)ohh ...   Nov 29 2004, 06:32 PM
Statistik   Hmm isn't it illegal? well i dont think its ri...   Nov 29 2004, 06:52 PM
i heart john   It's not illegal, because killing animals for ...   Nov 29 2004, 06:59 PM
shortvi3tlaydee   omg thats so wrong   Nov 29 2004, 07:24 PM
sadolakced acid   could i ask all you who think we can live without ...   Nov 29 2004, 09:23 PM
Rachel is love   ohh god thats horrible. animals should not be sacr...   Nov 29 2004, 10:13 PM
hiromi   Hmm... *thinks* I think killing animals for art pu...   Nov 30 2004, 06:57 PM
Gypsy Eyes   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 29 2004, 9:23 PM)...   Nov 30 2004, 07:05 PM
gothicvengeance   That is the most sickening, repulsive, disgusting,...   Nov 30 2004, 08:51 PM
airam   QUOTE(gothicvengeance @ Nov 30 2004, 8:51 PM)...   Nov 30 2004, 08:59 PM
gothicvengeance   That was (GASP) sarcasm. -.-''   Nov 30 2004, 09:04 PM
Sumiaki   Meat does contain amino acids that we cannot get a...   Nov 30 2004, 09:06 PM
airam   QUOTE(gothicvengeance @ Nov 30 2004, 9:04 PM)...   Nov 30 2004, 09:16 PM
gothicvengeance   Sorry if it's (GASP) too much information for ...   Nov 30 2004, 09:18 PM
kryogenix   How beautiful! This should be allowed though....   Dec 1 2004, 03:06 PM
.kyan   and if the artist chooses to kill some random huma...   Dec 1 2004, 03:26 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(.kyan @ Dec 1 2004, 3:26 PM)and if the ...   Dec 1 2004, 03:51 PM
xtremeliquid   I don't think killing animal is right...but it...   Dec 1 2004, 03:58 PM
.kyan   and its okay to take a life just because its not i...   Dec 1 2004, 04:02 PM
sunissed14127   i think it completely wrong. I dont wanna sound li...   Dec 1 2004, 04:12 PM
kryogenix   QUOTEwhat if it was the other way around, where th...   Dec 1 2004, 04:30 PM
mysticbreeze   QUOTEI don't think killing animal is right...b...   Dec 1 2004, 07:06 PM
airam   are these deaths really that much of a waste if it...   Dec 1 2004, 07:32 PM
pandamonium   QUOTE(airam @ Dec 1 2004, 7:32 PM)are these d...   Dec 1 2004, 08:22 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(airam @ Dec 1 2004, 7:32 PM)are these d...   Dec 1 2004, 08:38 PM
wind&fire   its art...thats what its supose to do...catalyse a...   Dec 1 2004, 09:35 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(AzNbUbZ @ Dec 1 2004, 9:35 PM)its art.....   Dec 1 2004, 11:33 PM
sadolakced acid   my my... where to start. 1- just because the...   Dec 1 2004, 11:43 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE- this should not be done for moral reasons, ...   Dec 1 2004, 11:49 PM
wind&fire   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 2 2004, 2:33 PM)If ...   Dec 1 2004, 11:51 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(AzNbUbZ @ Dec 1 2004, 11:51 PM)yes anyt...   Dec 1 2004, 11:52 PM
sadolakced acid   1. on dead babys don't they sometimes leave t...   Dec 1 2004, 11:54 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 1 2004, 11:54 PM)...   Dec 2 2004, 12:02 AM
sporadic   That's pretty gross. Killing animals for cloth...   Dec 2 2004, 01:45 AM
wind&fire   ^ do you have leather shoes?!?!... well wo...   Dec 2 2004, 01:48 AM
sporadic   ^ I do have leather shoes and I love them. What...   Dec 2 2004, 01:54 AM
mysticalazxn   very bad totally no NO the picture look so cruel...   Dec 2 2004, 02:14 AM
wind&fire   that site is bs... i dont think its real   Dec 2 2004, 05:25 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 2 2004, 1:54 AM)^ I do h...   Dec 2 2004, 10:10 AM
sadolakced acid   animals should be treated with respect, etc. etc. ...   Dec 2 2004, 05:52 PM
karrar   " we can live without meat " ARE YOU FU...   Dec 2 2004, 06:05 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 2 2004, 5:52 PM)a...   Dec 2 2004, 06:15 PM
sporadic   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Dec 2 2004, 10:10 AM)and ...   Dec 2 2004, 09:56 PM
wind&fire   ^ is it necessary to have 5 pairs of shoes?   Dec 3 2004, 07:22 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 2 2004, 9:56 PM)It's...   Dec 3 2004, 10:27 AM
Spirited Away   Self-expression by means of killing an animal=sick...   Dec 3 2004, 10:42 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 3 2004, 10:42 AM)Se...   Dec 3 2004, 04:24 PM
weirdness   QUOTE(Arimalka @ Nov 29 2004, 6:15 PM)I belie...   Dec 3 2004, 05:32 PM
picaso_smile   Killing animals for food: This is fine. It's p...   Dec 3 2004, 06:01 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(airam @ Nov 29 2004, 10:59 AM)http://ww...   Dec 3 2004, 07:50 PM
wind&fire   QUOTE(picaso_smile @ Dec 4 2004, 9:01 AM)Kill...   Dec 3 2004, 08:59 PM
mysticbreeze   QUOTEyes anything can be art...a museam in austral...   Dec 3 2004, 09:55 PM
xHalf nHalf   all i hafta say is thats sick..   Dec 4 2004, 12:04 AM
sporadic   QUOTE(AzNbUbZ @ Dec 3 2004, 7:22 AM)^ is it n...   Dec 4 2004, 01:23 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE^ is it necessary to have 5 pairs of shoes? ...   Dec 4 2004, 01:43 AM
sporadic   I didn't, PANDAMONIUM. All of that response w...   Dec 4 2004, 01:49 AM
pandamonium   QUOTEOkay, let's go romp around naked in the s...   Dec 4 2004, 01:59 AM
sporadic   No, but you said that we have things to keep us wa...   Dec 4 2004, 02:04 AM
mysticbreeze   QUOTEWould you rather that no one buys any leather...   Dec 4 2004, 10:55 AM
Arsenal   QUOTEso that person who made those peices of art m...   Dec 4 2004, 11:01 AM
sadolakced acid   pandominium: human skin is not made to insulate. ...   Dec 4 2004, 12:49 PM
Frankie   i don't think that it is right to kill animals...   Dec 4 2004, 06:24 PM
sporadic   QUOTE(mysticbreeze @ Dec 4 2004, 10:55 AM)Tho...   Dec 4 2004, 07:42 PM
.kyan   and i wonder why we have faux fur in the first pla...   Dec 4 2004, 09:59 PM
pandamonium   QUOTE(Arsenal @ Dec 4 2004, 11:01 AM)You thin...   Dec 4 2004, 11:21 PM
pandamonium   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 4 2004, 12:49 PM)...   Dec 4 2004, 11:28 PM
wind&fire   QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 4 2004, 4:23 PM)They do ...   Dec 5 2004, 01:05 AM
sporadic   The purpose of looking nice? Sure. To some people....   Dec 5 2004, 05:35 PM
sadolakced acid   your life is not nessicary for my survival, theref...   Dec 5 2004, 05:48 PM
sporadic   Your mom isn't necessary for my survival. No o...   Dec 5 2004, 05:58 PM
Spirited Away   What the heezy? There are a lot of things that ar...   Dec 5 2004, 11:50 PM
wind&fire   QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 6 2004, 8:35 AM)The purp...   Dec 6 2004, 12:18 AM
sporadic   ^ Sure, why not. Technology is screwing us over an...   Dec 6 2004, 01:06 AM
sadolakced acid   sporadic, you're logic is flawed, so when conf...   Dec 6 2004, 11:46 PM
aznxdreamer   i dont like the idea of killing animals. i watched...   Dec 7 2004, 07:39 PM
ComradeRed   That's why I hae rifles stocked up...   Dec 7 2004, 09:04 PM
waccoon   QUOTEwe don't need meat to live. we don't ...   Dec 7 2004, 09:44 PM
sadolakced acid   meat eating has ensure the survival of animals- ...   Dec 8 2004, 09:54 PM
ComradeRed   Good point, SA. That's Chicken Soup for the Ve...   Dec 8 2004, 09:57 PM
sporadic   Armadillos aren't too tasty. Skunks aren't...   Dec 9 2004, 12:46 AM
mizzlem0nade   QUOTE(Arimalka @ Nov 29 2004, 5:15 PM)I belie...   Dec 9 2004, 11:29 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 9 2004, 12:46 AM)Armadil...   Dec 10 2004, 07:11 AM
sadolakced acid   armadillos, skunks, squirrels, will eventually go ...   Dec 10 2004, 05:33 PM
Cake.   Well, I mean... art is just art... And if they ar...   Dec 10 2004, 07:04 PM
sadolakced acid   art is designed to evoke emotion, and this one cer...   Dec 10 2004, 07:05 PM
Spirited Away   Then next thing we'll know, "the art of k...   Dec 10 2004, 08:49 PM
sadolakced acid   it's called the art of war   Dec 10 2004, 11:25 PM
Spirited Away   sure and it does evoke emotion what about ...   Dec 10 2004, 11:35 PM
Mireh   http://www.wetterlinggallery.com/bilder/nathalia/S...   Dec 11 2004, 04:55 PM
smthngcrprategrl34   no i don't think it's okay. it's cruel...   Dec 11 2004, 05:10 PM
xj_liana_tx   that is HORRIBLE!   Dec 11 2004, 05:15 PM
Kriegsgefangene   I know it may sound cruel to kill off animals. Bu...   Dec 11 2004, 06:32 PM
Kriegsgefangene   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 10 2004, 5:33 PM)...   Dec 11 2004, 06:36 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Kriegsgefangene @ Dec 11 2004, 6:32 PM)...   Dec 11 2004, 06:49 PM
Kriegsgefangene   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 11 2004, 6:49 PM)I ...   Dec 11 2004, 07:04 PM
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