laws too strict? Options

[lovescream]

omigawd.. i just realized this topic. reminds me that i debating...

anyhoo, in ur country, do you think that laws are too strict?
like here in the US about gay mariage? that's strict.. i mean like i saw on someone's siggy, marriage is about love, not gender, age, or whatever. =\ it's their choice... not the person who made the damn law.

[iheartsimba]

First I would like to make something clear before we continue. Not you or anyone in the world can tell me what love is to me anymore than I can tell you what love is to you.

Love is different for everyone. Of course there are some fundamental things to it like caring and loyalty... etc, but as far as I can tell, because each person is an individual and unique, each person will have his or her own way of loving.

So my point being, NEVER dictate to anyone that he/she do not understand love. Not only is that a complete absurdity, but also very arrogant of you to even think that you would know love better than another person. That is the nicest way I can think of to let you know that I think you're ignorant, in so many words.

So lets continue by focusing on one idea at a time. 



How is incest "completely" different from homosexuality? Is it because you feel that way or is it because it's true, according to you? Is it that you feel people who are involved in incest relations don't know how to love like homosexuals do? Or is it that you feel that they're not human? WHY is the idea different to you? Please, do explain.

If you want to convince anyone that everyone is equal, you're not going to get very far by saying that incest couples are "different". I'm sure you can see the obvious hypocrisy in that. 

Mixed races weren't a very celebrated idea in earlier times and there were even laws that supported racism/discrimination. Yet, where are those laws now? The only semblance of it I can think of at this moment is Affirmative Action. So yes, I think we and the government have gone a long way from those days where it was perfectly fine to kill a Black man for running away from his supposed master.

Things do change because time allow it so. Races did not mix over the course of one night or ten years, it took centuries, a hell lot of blood and bravery for us to get where we are today. What makes you think that things can be simple  for homosexuals? 

I know that it would be ideal to just accept things, embrace the new ways or "go with the flow, but do you really expect every human to think like that? HELL NO. That's not how the human mind works. PERIOD. WHY??? I have already provided you with the answer:

Because everyone is unique and sees love differently.

The answer was so obvious that I was utterly offended when you said I don't understand love. So shocked that you would even make such an accusation when you, yourself don't understand such obviousness.




I'm not Christian nor do I belong with any organized religion. I simply believe that time will change how people view this topic and I'm almost positive that time is in favor of homosexual relationships. 



Incest doesn't only mean child molestation. Lets broaden our views a bit instead of just narrowly assuming the worst. After all, isn't that what YOU don't want people to do when they think of homosexuality?

Love can grow from incest just as homosexuality. I don't understand why you would think them so different from each other.

It certainly doesn't seem right that marriage is governed by others, but that has being going on for a long time. The whole arrange marriages thing is no news to you is it?

Sure, people break laws and do illegal things, but if you want to argue that homosexuals should be able to get married because they love each other then you'd have to think about expanding that law to accept all groups of people for WE ALL KNOW LOVE, not just homosexuals.







People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?

"First I would like to make something clear before we continue. Not you or anyone in the world can tell me what love is to me anymore than I can tell you what love is to you.

Love is different for everyone. Of course there are some fundamental things to it like caring and loyalty... etc, but as far as I can tell, because each person is an individual and unique, each person will have his or her own way of loving.

So my point being, NEVER dictate to anyone that he/she do not understand love. Not only is that a complete absurdity, but also very arrogant of you to even think that you would know love better than another person. That is the nicest way I can think of to let you know that I think you're ignorant, in so many words.

So lets continue by focusing on one idea at a time. "

you look at things word for word, eh? holy moly. and you think i'm arrogent haha, good one. you're getting way to into things, because when i said you didn't get the concept of love i meant it as in i dont htink you relize that marrage is a comitment for one another...and it shouldn't be f**king stopped. human f**king rights! go ahead, incests, marry! who f**king cares, how does it concern you?!
While all people are created equal, not all ideas or behaviors are equal.
It "appears" that you are being very stubborn about this issue.
now lets see...what points have you made?
-it would give incests rights? hmm
-that it would be hard to make the transition? hmmm
-umm..its been going on a long time?
oh, i see. very good reasons why gays shouldn't have the right to marry who they would like.

lets move on.

"How is incest "completely" different from homosexuality? Is it because you feel that way or is it because it's true, according to you? Is it that you feel people who are involved in incest relations don't know how to love like homosexuals do? Or is it that you feel that they're not human? WHY is the idea different to you? Please, do explain. "


different as in the are 2 different subjects and are being compared. incests can do what they'd like, not being married wont stop them. but hey if they wanna get married, go for it.

"If you want to convince anyone that everyone is equal, you're not going to get very far by saying that incest couples are "different". I'm sure you can see the obvious hypocrisy in that. "

yes i suppose your right. i meant--gays and incests are different. because gays are not related...get it but hey if you wanna marry a family member.. go for it...like i said...

"Mixed races weren't a very celebrated idea in earlier times and there were even laws that supported racism/discrimination. Yet, where are those laws now? The only semblance of it I can think of at this moment is Affirmative Action. So yes, I think we and the government have gone a long way from those days where it was perfectly fine to kill a Black man for running away from his supposed master. "

yes and the laws were changed and now the country has improved a lot getting rid of the discriminist laws. and same thing would hopfully happen with gay rights. of course it would be hard to do at first, like stopping segreagation, but in the end it would be worth it.


"Things do change because time allow it so. Races did not mix over the course of one night or ten years, it took centuries, a hell lot of blood and bravery for us to get where we are today. What makes you think that things can be simple for homosexuals? "

who said it would be simple? so it may be hard, but in the end it was worth it for other races.

"I know that it would be ideal to just accept things, embrace the new ways or "go with the flow, but do you really expect every human to think like that? HELL NO. That's not how the human mind works. PERIOD. WHY??? I have already provided you with the answer:

Because everyone is unique and sees love differently.

The answer was so obvious that I was utterly offended when you said I don't understand love. So shocked that you would even make such an accusation when you, yourself don't understand such obviousness. "



of course not every human will think that. but obviously many dont like the people disagreeing with gay marrages either. yes, love is different for everyone, but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?! GAYS NEED THEIR f**kING RIGHTS END OF STORY. yes some people won't agree, but tons of people don't agree with whats going on now.

"It certainly doesn't seem right that marriage is governed by others, but that has being going on for a long time. The whole arrange marriages thing is no news to you is it? "

so? of course there have been arranged marrages..what again does that have to do with anything? so some marrages in the past were arranged...so what? we should try to fix our mistakes rather then keep them going. i think many people are aware that banning marrages for gays are just gonna blow up in there faces as the numbers increase.

People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?
so? who said theres a difference? yes some people do make mistakes when going into marrage, and gays should get the rights to marry as well as to divorce, like liz said: "Yeah, but people in general can get married to a person they love (or not even some one they love, they can just get married) What makes homosexuals any different from that? "



there shouldn't be f**king limits on love. do you atleast see my side?
there shouldn't be limits. get it?

being gay is not a choice you make, and you shouldn't be punished for being who you are. people should be free to be who they are and express themselves without fear of discrimism. and gay rights would definitly help that over time. sure it would be hard, but if it owuld make the environment better for that amount of people we should do it. we should try to go the 'easy way out' and just tyr to ignore it. gays and lesbians are rapidly increasing, and just to put that issue aside wont solve anyhting.


by the way. i'm only stating my opinions on gay marrages, so keep the insults to the side thats pretty rude considering we are in a debate and of course we will see things differently, no reason to call names. and you misunderstood the concept of love thing obviously, just had to twist all my words, eh? and just because you use the time to use perfect grammar and what not, doesn't mean your right. =]

and here i am typing this up at 1 a.m. when i am so sleepy just because i couldn't let that response go.


gay rights!