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razbus
post Nov 3 2004, 03:27 PM
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I just "got it like that".
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I dont know about everyone else, but i am really pissed about bush being re-elected. I dont even feel like typing all the bad things i said on my blog. If you want to read it.... here.
 
 
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Spirited Away
post Nov 4 2004, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(razbus @ Nov 4 2004, 9:34 AM)
Okay, here is the bottom line:

1. Bush is forcing HIS FCUKING RELIGION on the rest of america!

Just answer me this... someone... anyone. What possible reason could anyone have to outlaw same-sex marriage? Hm? Think of one LOGICAL reason that has nothing to do with religion. Anything. And don't say morals because the word "morals" in every sense is directly related to christianity.

I'm as Agnostic as can be and I don't feel like he's forcing religion down my throat. How come same-sex activists understand that on the road of freedom and equality there will some setbacks, but you can't seem to comprehend that?

I'm a moral person my dear, but I've never once considered myself to be Christian. Without religion, ONLY morality upholds what is right in society. Without religon AND morals, there's no point in marriage--what homosexuals are fighting for--AT ALL.

Morality in Christianity is different from morality that has existed way before any religion. Try not to group them together. If you want to know why they're different, let me know.

I'm currently against homosexual marriages. But like I've said MANY times in these debates, changes this drastic need time for everyone to adjust. Morally minded people do not like to see people in love not being able to married, but it takes time to adjust to the fact that those people are of the same sex. Though you may think that this is backward way of thinking, that is how the human mind works. Period. Change needs time.

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2. Bush is combining church and state!

Okay, WHAT CHURCH? His church! Not mine. Why should i pray in school, or be forced to say "one nation under God"??? Not my nation. Not my god. Not my president.


He many not your President, but he's mine, and so was Clinton and so were Presidents that preceeded him.

Are you forced to pray to the Christian God in school? Are you forced to say the pledge? It has been a while since I'm in educational facilities that have pledges in the mornings, but I remember NOT being forced to cite it, ever. People will look you weird if you do not, but since when do you HAVE to say "under God"? Since when do you have to cite the WHOLE enchilada? Is someone going to throw you in jail for not saying "under God"? If they do, let me know and I and many others will help raise money for a lawyer for you.


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3. Abortion

Im not going to even touch this subject. ... er, well, let me just say that until the umbilical chord is cut, technically it is still a part of the womans body. *cough* viva la choice.


Choice indeed, but what about the baby's choice?

I'm pro-choice, but I still consider the morality of killing something that will become a baby. Sure, you can say that contraceptions prevent making babies, but note that I said the KILLING of something that will become a baby. Preventing it and killing it are two different things.

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4. Shipping jobs overseas

Shipping jobs overseas is fine with me. ::gasp:: BUT, when the reason you are doing it is so that you can pay some little Hungarian kid 50 cents an hour... that's wrong. Do it for knowledge, do it to full fill quotas. But not to save money and avoid minimum wage laws.


Uh, yea. That's shows how much you know about exchange rates. 50 cents to them means more than it means to us. Their minimun wage law is different than ours. But how are you so sure that they get paid 50 cents an hour by American businesses?

But to move on to my point:

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The Labor Code of 1992 states that children may only be employed when they have finished their compulsory education, which effectively sets the minimum age for work at 16 years.[2158] However, children who are at least 14 years old are permitted to work if the work does not interfere with schooling or if they are exempt from attending school.[2159] All children under age 16 must obtain the consent of a legal guardian before entering into an employment contract.


The above is quoted from the Bureau of International labor affairs about Hungary's child labor laws. That should give you peace of mind about child labor there.

There are of course, children who works as beggars and in discreet sweatshops (if there are any), but doesn't that happen in every country?

Do you think that outsourcing is not regulated to ensure fairness in payment?


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Well, thats all i have to say. I finally got all that shit off my chest. If anyone cares to reply... PLEASE DO. I await your excuses.


Is that how you debate? By saying what others will say "excuses"? Shows how mature you are.
 

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razbus   It's official   Nov 3 2004, 03:27 PM
tweeak   um, yeah? im still undecided. its getting a bit pa...   Nov 3 2004, 03:36 PM
HolyMolyRavioli   I agree with you on the electoral college system. ...   Nov 3 2004, 03:47 PM
kryogenix   America has a bright future. 4 more years.   Nov 3 2004, 04:36 PM
Mr. Psychotic   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 3 2004, 1:36 PM)America...   Nov 3 2004, 04:58 PM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 3 2004, 2:36 PM)America...   Nov 3 2004, 05:00 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Nov 3 2004, 5:00 PM)...   Nov 3 2004, 05:07 PM
airam   i would rather have bush win rather then kerry. i...   Nov 3 2004, 05:17 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Nov 3 2004, 5:00 PM)...   Nov 3 2004, 05:27 PM
sadolakced acid   why is it not bush's fault that there is a nat...   Nov 3 2004, 06:19 PM
Teesa   i am so angry and sad at the same time..i feel ur ...   Nov 3 2004, 06:29 PM
muffin dude 292   I am not angry I actually wanted bush to win.   Nov 3 2004, 06:35 PM
metabolic666   I'm only a tad bit disapointed but oh well 4 m...   Nov 3 2004, 06:40 PM
sunissed14127   i am very pissed. I think he's a liar & a ...   Nov 3 2004, 06:53 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 3 2004, 6:19 PM)w...   Nov 3 2004, 07:19 PM
Spirited Away   *taps foot*, I'm still waiting for someone, an...   Nov 3 2004, 07:42 PM
highly_evolved   . . . . . . man i dont get it, weve all seen wat h...   Nov 4 2004, 04:59 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(highly_evolved @ Nov 4 2004, 4:59 AM). ...   Nov 4 2004, 06:41 AM
highly_evolved   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 4 2004, 6:41 AM)The rig...   Nov 4 2004, 06:43 AM
ComradeRed   A STATE can pass limits on gun ownership. The Fed...   Nov 4 2004, 06:57 AM
highly_evolved   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Nov 4 2004, 6:57 AM)I supp...   Nov 4 2004, 07:27 AM
razbus   Okay, here is the bottom line: 1. Bush is forcing...   Nov 4 2004, 09:34 AM
Weird addiction   i feel sooo dissapointed,i wanted kerry to win,bus...   Nov 4 2004, 09:44 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(razbus @ Nov 4 2004, 9:34 AM)Okay, here...   Nov 4 2004, 10:44 AM
sunissed14127   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 3 2004, 7:19 PM)Pure sl...   Nov 4 2004, 10:56 AM
razbus   QUOTEI'm a moral person my dear, but I've ...   Nov 4 2004, 11:20 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(razbus @ Nov 4 2004, 11:20 AM)1. Morali...   Nov 4 2004, 02:39 PM
razbus   ... I'll address this later. I have better thi...   Nov 4 2004, 02:46 PM
Spirited Away   Uh, yea, sure. If you have better things to do, ...   Nov 4 2004, 02:47 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sunissed14127 @ Nov 4 2004, 10:56 AM)fi...   Nov 4 2004, 02:56 PM
CrackedRearView   Kerry wins the big states on the coasts where vote...   Nov 4 2004, 04:50 PM
M1SSxCHR1SSY   i`m not sad nor angry or anything. in fact i...   Nov 4 2004, 10:17 PM
jnukes   i'm pretty pissed.. from eminem's song ...   Nov 4 2004, 10:21 PM
sunissed14127   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 4 2004, 2:56 PM)Why sho...   Nov 4 2004, 11:02 PM
divinity_star   I am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad that...   Nov 5 2004, 12:41 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(jnukes @ Nov 4 2004, 10:21 PM)from emin...   Nov 5 2004, 10:43 AM
sunissed14127   ^ i think that was eminem's opinion on bush.An...   Nov 5 2004, 11:19 AM
ryfitaDF   bush did know about 9/11, though. he didn't ac...   Nov 5 2004, 11:44 AM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Nov 5 2004, 9:44 AM)bush did...   Nov 5 2004, 02:45 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sunissed14127 @ Nov 4 2004, 11:02 PM)I...   Nov 5 2004, 03:05 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Nov 5 2004, 2:45 PM)...   Nov 5 2004, 08:31 PM
sadolakced acid   because clinton is already gone, and there's n...   Nov 5 2004, 09:16 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 5 2004, 9:16 PM)b...   Nov 5 2004, 10:13 PM
pandamonium   QUOTEA bright future of losing more jobs  That...   Nov 5 2004, 11:17 PM
sadolakced acid   i have the unfortunacy to live in a red state. al...   Nov 6 2004, 12:33 AM
ComradeRed   Just for the record, the SAT has changed a lot sin...   Nov 6 2004, 02:45 PM
sadolakced acid   the SAT scores on a precentile ranking. it does...   Nov 6 2004, 08:26 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTEI am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad...   Nov 6 2004, 10:15 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 5 2004, 11:17 PM)OUT ...   Nov 6 2004, 10:17 PM
sadolakced acid   personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led schoo...   Nov 6 2004, 10:22 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 6 2004, 10:22 PM)...   Nov 6 2004, 10:26 PM
pandamonium   hi QUOTEI asked him if he will believe something ...   Nov 6 2004, 11:19 PM
LiLEthiopian   yea...i'm super DUPER pissed that Bush got re-...   Nov 6 2004, 11:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 6 2004, 11:19 PM)I kn...   Nov 6 2004, 11:32 PM
sadolakced acid   computer programming jobs are being outsourced to ...   Nov 6 2004, 11:39 PM
Spirited Away   Yup... well, at least I partly agree anyway. Short...   Nov 6 2004, 11:41 PM
pandamonium   i get your whole point about off-sourcing and how ...   Nov 6 2004, 11:41 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 6 2004, 11:41 PM)i ge...   Nov 6 2004, 11:44 PM
azn_r4pf4n   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 6 2004, 7:22 PM)p...   Nov 6 2004, 11:50 PM
LiLEthiopian   o yea..about out-sourcing..during the debates..Bus...   Nov 6 2004, 11:58 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(LiLEthiopian @ Nov 6 2004, 11:58 PM)The...   Nov 7 2004, 12:05 AM
LiLEthiopian   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 12:05 AM)Ca...   Nov 7 2004, 12:13 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(LiLEthiopian @ Nov 7 2004, 12:13 AM)and...   Nov 7 2004, 12:21 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 6 2004, 11:19 PM)i ne...   Nov 7 2004, 12:35 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 12:35 AM)So...   Nov 7 2004, 12:58 AM
PinkTrash   I wanted Kerry to win..   Nov 7 2004, 01:01 AM
Spirited Away   Old post? You're the one who reminded me of it...   Nov 7 2004, 01:02 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 1:02 AM)Old...   Nov 7 2004, 01:06 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 7 2004, 1:06 AM)you *...   Nov 7 2004, 01:12 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 1:12 AM)So ...   Nov 7 2004, 01:14 AM
Spirited Away   No need to be sorry, they'll be a lot of clash...   Nov 7 2004, 01:18 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 6 2004, 10:22 PM)...   Nov 7 2004, 09:26 AM
Spirited Away   My mother also told me to stand up for what I beli...   Nov 7 2004, 10:48 AM
ComradeRed   For what avail the plough or sail, Or land or life...   Nov 7 2004, 11:39 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEdidn't your mother ever tell you two wron...   Nov 7 2004, 01:20 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 10:48 AM)My...   Nov 7 2004, 02:36 PM
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kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 7 2004, 5:01 PM)d...   Nov 7 2004, 05:37 PM
ComradeRed   They are the moral codes of a certain belief syste...   Nov 7 2004, 05:37 PM
I.Luff.Emo.Boys.   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 3 2004, 5:07 PM)It...   Nov 7 2004, 05:43 PM
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Frankie   i wanted bush more than kerry. but i don't rea...   Nov 8 2004, 06:36 PM
sadolakced acid   ten commandments is historical in that it's pa...   Nov 9 2004, 06:50 PM


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