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should a christian be a republican?
Retrogressive
post Oct 2 2004, 06:30 PM
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I guess since republicans do not believe in homosexual marriages and abortion most christians I know are republicans. But what about the seperation between church and state? I guess morals have a lot to do with who you will vote for, but shouldn't it be the right person for the job? A lot of christian republicans that I know don't believe in abortion and that is a big issue of why they voted for bush, but I haven't seen bush do anything about abortion. I don't know is it wrong to be a democrat christian? Isn't kerry a christian?
 
 
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post Oct 28 2004, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 28 2004, 10:24 PM)
oh im not merely stating rebellion in general. Im assuming that everyone sees God in existence inevitably. I'm writing  of rebellion against God and the road less travelled. Ignorance of your creator gives a distorted view of where pain and suffering come from. Ignorance is a far dangerous weapon than any atom splitting.

Those natures have been in our ways of thinking long before the written bible, but God's word has always existed.

Right...

The ancients were ignorant of God but their descendants survive to this day. Knowing God doesn't exists or being doubtful of His existence doesn't make a person ignorant because each person has his/her own truths. God gave us free will, so why wouldn't we be able to have our own truths? If having our own truths make us ignorant, than doesn't that means God's gift of free will make us ignorant?

I see pain and suffering the same way any normal/sane/healthy person would. I also see it as a trial of survival of the fittest, of nature. The only distortion I see is when someone tries to tell someone else that though they suffer now, they'll be rewarded in death if they believe in God. This will make that person lazy in the way that they won't want to try harder. Of course, this laziness is a sin, but what else do you expect? After all, it's in our nature to sin as you like to put it. Nevertheless, the person now holds a distorted view of religion, of life, of death.

The existence of God's words can be said to be a distorted state of mind. After all, what do you call someone who thinks there are voices speaking to them in their head? (I do apologize if I'm offending you.)

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Oh ho ho isnt the kettle calling the pot black. There is nothing new to be discovered. Everything is in cycle. No utopia on this earth is possible. Think back to a time when people  could leave their doors unlocked. People helped each other out and everyone knew everyone.


When did that ever happened? People probably didn't lock their doors because they didn't invented the lock yet.

If you have a heart capable of basic emotions, i.e. loneliness/sympathy, you'd help your neighbor out, too, when you can. Everyone knew everyone because everyone has time to talk to each other and have collective tribal meetings. Nowdays, single moms/dads, married couples don't even see each other until the sun's down. We rarely have time for greetings.

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In today's "SELF" improvement society morality, lawfulness, and even decency have all been taken back to their primal stages. Honor doesnt even exist. To be called civilized is almost impossible. The fault of humanity is that we need to be lead.


Those without honor, decency, morals... etc cannot be grouped with those that do. Having religion doesn't make a person honorable NOR humble, it makes him/her thirsts for a truth that is beyond reach in life. The MANY faults of humanity are simply flaws that make us the species that we are. Without them, we wouldn't be humans, we'd be gods.

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Communism fails because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Which is only true in men. The Bible describes a perfect community. Love, trust, and happiness replace greed, hate, and fear. Tell me how can loving your enemies be bad???


If we're without greed, hate, and fear, we wouldn't be human. In fact, you're fond of saying there's only black and white. How about perfection and imperfection? We're imperfect, this makes us human. God is perfect, that makes Him almighty. If we were perfect, we'd rival God. Thus, love, honor, happiness go hand in hand with greed, hate, and fear to balance us out. You said that we would not know light if there was no darkness (hate, greed, etc), we wouldn't know God/perfection (light), if we were perfect ourselves.

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Without morality and law there cannot be order or peace. When laws begin to degrade to anarchy the one with the most power just creates more law of a more corrupt and biased nature. faggs, lesbians, thieves, liars, biggots, hatemongers, adulterers, terrorists, murderers, and the ignorant destroy everything our founding fathers believed in.


Our Founding Fathers believed in free will. Though restricted, to protect the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness FOR ALL, they still believed in free will. This means that with or without God watching over us, we still have free will. We follow laws and morality to ensure our own security and peace of mind.

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Flip on the tv look outside, that is what happens when people have lost what their parents tried to tell them about happiness. Everyone is searching for it. Everyone is trying to fill that hole. What happiness is lost... or is it? Wait, when you're lost follow the trail of bread crumbs back through the history of your travels back to your roots. Follow the path back and retrace your steps until you've found what your looking for. If you blindly barge ahead without looking back, how will you know if you're going in circles?


Is that how YOU look for happiness and you're assuming that others do the same?

Well, that's not how happiness comes to be, in my opinion. People search for happiness all their life but it may never come to them. True that if you want happiness, you seek for happiness. However, sometimes you need to let life take charge instead of charging at it like a madman/woman. This of course, is up to your discretion.

Do you believe in predestination?

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Seperation of Church and state is a good thing and a bad thing. Like taking the rules off the classroom walls and expecting the kids to follow them. When religion is forced it becomes habitual and loses it's meaning. When you discover for yourself, you understand why they wanted you to follow them.


Replace "morality" in for the word "religion".


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God loves you. God had to create us with freewill because he wants to love and be loved. Remember back in the day when you were fighting with your siblings and your mom or dad made your brother or sister apologize to you? It would've meant so much more if they apologized before hand and really cared if you forgave them. If you build a robot and program it to love you, it isn't the same as meeting someone who is just crazy about you or having kids who even though you have to discipline them grow up and thank-you for it. Having kids who don't stick you in a nursing home. A robot can't choose to love you. It is in it's programming. It thinks and feels what you tell it to.


Eh, I've had several hand to hand combat with my brother and we ALWAYS make up after. We're what you'd considered heathens, but we're still very morally minded people because our parents taught us love of family. I don't need religion to tell me to love my family when I already do love them.

Morality existed before organized religion. Laws are first based on morality and then as we are more civilized and know more about morality, laws change to adjust. Organized religion came along and takes credit for what already existed before it.

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The easiest road to morality is the road less taken, the narrow path of the Bible. The Bible is a compilation of a journey of a people who have been enlightened via divine intervention. People who have walked among the world's greatest man(God incarnate). People who have discovered life's most hidden obscure secrets. The most complex resolution...Simplicity.


"God incarnate", I'll call him Christ. The easiest road to morality is love.

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Now a group of people who are trying to keep the good of our country and are Christian works smoothly. Why? They have a common enemy.
So, you seem to be suggesting the rest of us non-Christians to be to common enemy. Do you hear how hateful that sounds? ermm.gif
 

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Retrogressive   should a christian be a republican?   Oct 2 2004, 06:30 PM
sikdragon   Kerry shouldnt be a christian... everythings he sa...   Oct 23 2004, 01:31 AM
strice   i can hardly call fighting for independence prude....   Oct 23 2004, 01:40 AM
tweeak   yes, kerry is catholic, but hes basically been ana...   Oct 23 2004, 09:17 AM
sammi rules you   yes they're both christian. some people make m...   Oct 23 2004, 11:21 AM
[X]poised   i know a whole lot of democratic christians. i...   Oct 23 2004, 12:01 PM
Kathleen   I'm atheist and I would consider myself a Repu...   Oct 23 2004, 01:16 PM
ComradeRed   It depends on what kind of Christian. Orthodox Ch...   Oct 23 2004, 04:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(strice @ Oct 23 2004, 1:40 AM)i can har...   Oct 23 2004, 08:01 PM
CrackedRearView   Kerry's a Catholic at home and non-religious a...   Oct 24 2004, 02:16 AM
strice   my history teacher said that. i may have heard wro...   Oct 24 2004, 02:23 AM
Spirited Away   Hmm, I believe Jefferson refered to God too much i...   Oct 24 2004, 10:11 AM
sikdragon   QUOTEi can hardly call fighting for independence p...   Oct 24 2004, 10:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 24 2004, 10:25 AM)Democ...   Oct 24 2004, 10:34 AM
DittotoAnne18   not necessarily, but most christians are. Im 110%...   Oct 27 2004, 07:17 PM
mzteriouzme007   QUOTEyes they're both christian. some people m...   Oct 27 2004, 08:16 PM
mzteriouzme007   i'm 200% republicc   Oct 27 2004, 08:18 PM
sammi rules you   kerry is christian; that's why i get so pissed...   Oct 28 2004, 08:53 AM
sikdragon   QUOTEChoose to follow its lead? Meaning? If you m...   Oct 28 2004, 04:32 PM
sikdragon   QUOTEkerry is christian; that's why i get so p...   Oct 28 2004, 04:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 28 2004, 4:32 PM)Human ...   Oct 28 2004, 04:45 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 28 2004, 4:32 PM)The Bi...   Oct 28 2004, 06:28 PM
strice   sikdragon, you make some very odd statements. firs...   Oct 28 2004, 08:08 PM
sikdragon   QUOTESure, along side with obedience, curiosity, t...   Oct 28 2004, 10:24 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 28 2004, 10:24 PM)oh im...   Oct 28 2004, 11:16 PM
strice   yes, christianity only works because it generates ...   Oct 28 2004, 11:36 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(strice @ Oct 28 2004, 10:36 PM)yes, chr...   Oct 29 2004, 08:47 AM
sikdragon   Wow, i dont think anyone could've been that fa...   Oct 29 2004, 12:01 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 29 2004, 11:01 AM)Wow, ...   Oct 29 2004, 01:09 PM
sikdragon   no i told her to debate and quit the other stuff. ...   Oct 29 2004, 01:16 PM
ComradeRed   Does the Republican Party AT LARGE support Christi...   Oct 29 2004, 01:29 PM
sikdragon   so...? What does that have to with what i said? Ig...   Oct 29 2004, 01:30 PM
strice   what i don't understand is how you can cast th...   Oct 30 2004, 01:23 AM
[X]poised   silkdragon... i agree with some of the things you...   Oct 30 2004, 01:34 AM
sunissed14127   i think any religion can be any thing they want. j...   Nov 1 2004, 03:14 PM
*MiSSTHaNG*   Kerry has said that he is trying to take whats lef...   Nov 1 2004, 04:22 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 29 2004, 12:01 PM)Wow, ...   Nov 1 2004, 05:13 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(*MiSSTHaNG* @ Nov 1 2004, 3:22 PM)Kerry...   Nov 1 2004, 08:23 PM
sikdragon   bitterness and spite... these are being confused w...   Nov 2 2004, 12:10 AM
strice   sik, it would help if you didn't make statemen...   Nov 2 2004, 02:32 AM
sikdragon   plain untrue??? which one was untrue?   Nov 2 2004, 02:41 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 2 2004, 12:10 AM)bitter...   Nov 2 2004, 02:49 PM
razbus   QUOTE(*MiSSTHaNG* @ Nov 1 2004, 4:22 PM)Kerry...   Nov 2 2004, 03:23 PM
razbus   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 28 2004, 4:38 PM)Religi...   Nov 2 2004, 03:34 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 1 2004, 11:10 PM)easier...   Nov 2 2004, 05:26 PM
Days Nearly Over   QUOTE(razbus @ Nov 2 2004, 3:34 PM)QUOTE(sikd...   Nov 2 2004, 05:37 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 2 2004, 12:10 AM)easier...   Nov 2 2004, 06:53 PM
*MiSSTHaNG*   I think that some of you have no clue what is goin...   Nov 4 2004, 04:16 PM
strice   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 2 2004, 2:41 PM)plain u...   Nov 4 2004, 11:21 PM
pandamonium   TO ME in my opinion i dont they they should be chr...   Nov 5 2004, 02:07 PM
angelbaby317   QUOTE(VaguelyAware @ Oct 28 2004, 8:53 AM)ker...   Nov 5 2004, 02:25 PM
sikdragon   Im not calling you immature for being tolerant. Yo...   Nov 6 2004, 08:41 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 6 2004, 8:41 AM)Im not ...   Nov 7 2004, 01:36 AM
strice   the immaturity thing was directed at missthang, bu...   Nov 7 2004, 04:33 AM
Spirited Away   I read just as what other people who must read to ...   Nov 7 2004, 10:55 AM
sikdragon   The majority of the population are still believers...   Nov 7 2004, 01:28 PM
strice   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Nov 7 2004, 10:55 AM)I ...   Nov 7 2004, 03:50 PM
sadolakced acid   bush and kerry have basically the same beliefs. ...   Nov 7 2004, 05:14 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(strice @ Nov 7 2004, 3:50 PM)that wasn...   Nov 7 2004, 07:45 PM
sikdragon   kerry has no beliefs that have been released to th...   Nov 8 2004, 01:36 AM
sadolakced acid   i'm sorry if his stances are too intellegent f...   Nov 8 2004, 10:30 PM
sikdragon   acid: Bush does not force his beliefs upon others....   Nov 8 2004, 11:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 8 2004, 11:30 PM)noone ...   Nov 8 2004, 11:54 PM
lanbexx   about the gay issue: What if you were one of them?...   Nov 9 2004, 12:10 AM
sikdragon   The country's first colonists supported the bi...   Nov 9 2004, 06:46 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 6:46 AM)am i re...   Nov 9 2004, 10:41 AM
sikdragon   trick people? being open a forward is trickery? de...   Nov 9 2004, 10:47 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 10:47 AM)trick ...   Nov 9 2004, 10:52 AM
sikdragon   you're accusation was unfounded. A messenger i...   Nov 9 2004, 11:09 AM
sikdragon   now you accept evil as an inevitability? when did ...   Nov 9 2004, 11:11 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 9 2004, 11:09 AM)you...   Nov 9 2004, 11:13 AM
sikdragon   No only one kind, they differ with their situation...   Nov 9 2004, 11:18 AM
Spirited Away   The fact that you say "differ" means tha...   Nov 9 2004, 12:23 PM
sadolakced acid   yes mr. acid is prejudiced against christians, in ...   Nov 9 2004, 06:46 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 9 2004, 6:46 PM)y...   Nov 9 2004, 11:38 PM
sikdragon   I do have faults, but im not prejudiced with anyo...   Nov 9 2004, 11:45 PM
Spirited Away   And here I thought you were perfect. Prejudice ...   Nov 10 2004, 12:04 AM
sadolakced acid   when mr. acid needs to refer to himself in third,...   Nov 10 2004, 12:13 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 10 2004, 12:13 AM...   Nov 10 2004, 12:21 AM
sadolakced acid   exactly... it's like the riddle... a ma...   Nov 10 2004, 12:31 AM
Spirited Away   Well, I'm as stumped as you are on future thre...   Nov 10 2004, 12:46 AM
sadolakced acid   none. the man's on the ledge. well, wh...   Nov 10 2004, 12:53 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 10 2004, 12:53 AM...   Nov 10 2004, 04:37 PM
ComradeRed   Yes, and they'd win too. Polls of Iraqi voter...   Nov 10 2004, 04:49 PM
sadolakced acid   so then we are conquerors. we are only liberators...   Nov 10 2004, 07:19 PM
sikdragon   pollers only poll those who give them the results ...   Nov 11 2004, 03:30 PM
ComradeRed   What do you mean by an "unbiased" poll? ...   Nov 11 2004, 04:58 PM
sikdragon   Fox news may be fair and balanced, but what about ...   Nov 11 2004, 05:03 PM
sadolakced acid   i'd assume american pollers would be biased to...   Nov 11 2004, 05:08 PM
sikdragon   Nope. If you did then your assumption is wrong. Yo...   Nov 11 2004, 05:18 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 5:03 PM)Fox ne...   Nov 11 2004, 05:19 PM
sikdragon   took the poll of iraqi opinion. They can't th...   Nov 11 2004, 05:21 PM
sadolakced acid   you mean we won't let them.   Nov 11 2004, 05:25 PM
ComradeRed   Um... Iraq has never been invaded by a neighboring...   Nov 11 2004, 05:25 PM
sikdragon   invasion is the only thing to be feared? So, terro...   Nov 11 2004, 05:30 PM
sickdragon   That's right, those damn Turks and Syrians and...   Nov 11 2004, 05:32 PM
sikdragon   you cant be serious.   Nov 11 2004, 05:33 PM
ComradeRed   What terrorism? Most insurgents are identified as ...   Nov 11 2004, 05:36 PM
sadolakced acid   the terrorists in iraq are from iraq, and are terr...   Nov 11 2004, 05:36 PM
sickdragon   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 11 2004, 5:33 PM)you ca...   Nov 11 2004, 05:37 PM
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