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Prayer In School, are you against or for prayer in school
Should There Be Prayer In School?
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chelle
post Mar 23 2004, 10:37 PM
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ok. so i'm doing an english project for school on the oh so controversial topic of prayer in school. and since we LOVE to debate ( biggrin.gif ) i was wondering what everyone's stand in this is.

Pro School Prayer Positions:
1)Our Government is based on Religious Principles
2)The Free Exercise Clause Protects School Prayer
3)Banning School Prayer Leads to Moral Decline
4)Majority Should Rule

Anti School Prayer Positions:
1)State-Sponsored School Prayer is Unconstitutional
2)Prayer in School is Already Legal
3)State-Sponsored Prayer Will Lead to Religious Intolerance
4)Moral Decline and School Prayer are Unrelated
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i am against school prayer. big surprise. happy.gif lol. public schools exist to educate, not to proselytize. children in public schools are a captive audience. making prayer an official part of the school day is coercive and invasive. what 5, 8, or 10-year-old could view prayers recited as part of class routine as "voluntary"? religion is private, and schools are public, so it is appropriate that the two should not mix. our schools are for all children, whether catholic, baptist, quaker, atheist, buddhist, wiccan, jewish, agnostic. the schools are supported by all taxpayers, and therefore should be free of religious observances and coercion. when religion has invaded our public school system, it has singled out the lone jewish student, the children in the minority. families who protest state/church violations in our public schools invariably experience persecution. it was common prior to the court decision against school prayer to put non-religious or nonorthodox children in places of detention during bible-reading or prayer recitation. the children of supreme court plaintiffs against religion in schools were beaten up on the way to and from school, their families subjected to community harassment and death threats for speaking out in defense of a constitutional right. we know from history how harmful and destructive religion is in our public schools. individual, silent, personal prayer never has and never could be outlawed in public schools. it is coercive for schools to schedule worship as an official part of the schoo day, school sports or activities, or to use prayer to formalize graduation ceremonies. such prayers are more "mandatory" than "voluntary." the radical school prayer amendment would negate the first amendment's guarantee against government establishment of religion. most distressing, it would be at the expense of the civil rights of children, america's most vulnerable class. it would attack the heart of the bill of rights, which safeguards the rights of the individual from the tyranny of the majority. those in the minority would be compelled to conform to a religion or ritual n which they disbelieve, to suffer the humiliation and imposition of submitting to a daily religious exercise against their will, or be singled out by orthodox classmates and teachers as "heretics" or "sinners" for not participating. should the government become "prayer police"? the school prayer debate seems calculated to deflect attention away from the more pressing economic questions facing our nation. some politicians like to blame everything bad in america upon the absence of school prayer. it is a quick fix. it is irrational to charge that the complicated sociological problems facing our everchanging population stem from lack of prayer in schools. our political system is a democratic republic in which we use majority vote to elect certain officials or pass laws. but, we do not use majority vote to decide what religion, if any, our neighbors must follow. imposing prayer-by-majority-vote is flagrant and insensitive abuse of school authority. such schools should be teaching students about the purpose of the bill of rights, instead of teaching them to be religious bullies.
 
 
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kevinma03
post Mar 24 2004, 12:58 AM
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"dunno know for sure but you ever think of why the Kennedy family has no heir now...ever think about which president was in office when the decision came to stop school prayers...it should make you think"

Are you implying God had something to do with it?
 

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chelle   Prayer In School   Mar 23 2004, 10:37 PM
Kathleen   Heh I don't have time to read that long paragr...   Mar 23 2004, 10:39 PM
krnxswat   I think having a seperate time just for prayer dur...   Mar 23 2004, 10:40 PM
baller30   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Mar 23 2004, 10:40 PM)I thin...   Jun 13 2005, 07:02 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(baller30 @ Jun 13 2005, 7:02 PM)And on ...   Jun 13 2005, 07:04 PM
soadturner   You might think I might be for it, seeing i go to ...   Mar 23 2004, 10:43 PM
chelle   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Mar 23 2004, 10:40 PM)I thin...   Mar 23 2004, 10:44 PM
CloudUnionX   It would be nice for some people to have. But what...   Mar 23 2004, 11:12 PM
xjjajeengx   oh we had a debate worth 200 on this before@!...   Mar 23 2004, 11:58 PM
CEP   I say no. Because not everyone's Christian you...   Mar 24 2004, 12:02 AM
Dr3aMeR   I SAY YES. WE NEED PRAYER AT SCHOOLS. this cou...   Mar 24 2004, 12:38 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Dr3aMeR @ Mar 24 2004, 1:38 AM)this cou...   Jun 2 2005, 09:49 AM
justsomeboi   QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ Mar 24 2004, 12:02 AM...   Mar 24 2004, 12:45 AM
Just_Dream   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Mar 23 2004, 10:40 PM)I thin...   Mar 24 2004, 12:50 AM
kevinma03   "dunno know for sure but you ever think of wh...   Mar 24 2004, 12:58 AM
Dr3aMeR   I am not saying that God DID do that because i do ...   Mar 24 2004, 01:07 AM
kevinma03   Um... that would imply God is vengeful. And from ...   Mar 24 2004, 01:11 AM
Dr3aMeR   The God that struck down a man and woman (husband ...   Mar 24 2004, 01:14 AM
kevinma03   So that means God shouldn't have anything to d...   Mar 24 2004, 01:15 AM
xjjajeengx   why did you make a new topic for this when all you...   Mar 24 2004, 01:24 AM
Dr3aMeR   Thats what "predestination" is some peo...   Mar 24 2004, 01:31 AM
xjjajeengx   uh... just doing my job? sorry...   Mar 24 2004, 01:42 AM
kevinma03   QUOTE(Dr3aMeR @ Mar 24 2004, 1:31 AM)Thats wh...   Mar 24 2004, 02:05 AM
stryker76   I am atheist...and a prayer in school im sorry isn...   Mar 24 2004, 07:15 AM
starling   QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ Mar 24 2004, 12:02 AM...   Mar 24 2004, 10:26 AM
kevinma03   I think that having moments of silence for people ...   Mar 24 2004, 10:34 AM
xsnowxangelx425   we have the "moment of silence" in schoo...   Mar 24 2004, 01:33 PM
Dr3aMeR   Some schools don't even have the moment of sil...   Mar 24 2004, 01:55 PM
likethestardust   haha thats so funny.... i just did my report on th...   Mar 24 2004, 03:29 PM
starling   QUOTE(xsnowxangelx425 @ Mar 24 2004, 1:33 PM)...   Mar 24 2004, 03:44 PM
iloveyou07   I say yes there should be prayer in schools. Free...   Mar 24 2004, 04:30 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   Honestly, I'm for it. I go to a Catholic scho...   Mar 24 2004, 04:42 PM
AngelicEyz00   I'm a lil opposed to it. You shouldn't be ...   Mar 24 2004, 04:49 PM
m@dcow   eh.. is this about the pledge of alligence because...   Mar 24 2004, 05:20 PM
Mireh   Well it depends if the students are religious are ...   Mar 24 2004, 05:38 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   QUOTE(m@dcow @ Mar 24 2004, 5:20 PM)eh.. is t...   Mar 24 2004, 05:40 PM
justsomeboi   QUOTE(stryker76 @ Mar 24 2004, 7:15 AM)I am a...   Mar 24 2004, 06:38 PM
chelle   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Mar 24 2004, 5:40 ...   Mar 24 2004, 06:43 PM
chelle   QUOTE(justsomeboi @ Mar 24 2004, 6:38 PM)most...   Mar 24 2004, 06:47 PM
justsomeboi   QUOTE(chelle @ Mar 24 2004, 6:47 PM)athiests ...   Mar 24 2004, 07:10 PM
ANTWON   There shouldn't be prayer in school. Freedom F...   Mar 25 2004, 07:45 PM
Podomaht   i like to say, live and let live. if the doods pra...   Mar 25 2004, 07:58 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Mar 23 2004, 10:40 PM)I thin...   Mar 25 2004, 07:59 PM
darkestdesire   i dont really think so because people have differe...   Mar 25 2004, 08:01 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Mar 25 2004, 7:59 PM)i agre...   Mar 25 2004, 08:01 PM
starling   people don't want to be forced to pray if they...   Mar 25 2004, 08:03 PM
KoN_FyOo_aZn   Im kinna for it and against it... If yooh go to a...   Mar 25 2004, 08:07 PM
v@por   it doesnt matter! prayer can never be banned i...   Mar 25 2004, 08:29 PM
xjjajeengx   QUOTEeven jesus was against school prayer "th...   Mar 25 2004, 11:46 PM
Co.Oky me   I was reading most of the posts..and some of ‘em I...   Mar 26 2004, 01:03 AM
krnxswat   QUOTE(kevinma03 @ Mar 24 2004, 2:05 AM)So peo...   Mar 26 2004, 01:08 AM
justsomeboi   Co.Oky me has made some very intelligent statement...   Mar 27 2004, 10:01 AM
angel-roh   im not against it, but the students that qot no re...   Apr 2 2004, 05:05 AM
CJ1   I'm against it because it would be too complic...   Apr 2 2004, 07:20 PM
angela   I guess I'm a bit biased since i go to Catholi...   Apr 2 2004, 07:56 PM
tofumonzter   It's really up to you. Because you can forced ...   Apr 3 2004, 07:57 PM
Beyond Elite   well, in my opinion ... YES! So The Big Guy (...   Apr 24 2004, 07:27 PM
katers   I am for prayer in school. But I dont think it sho...   Apr 24 2004, 07:32 PM
angel-roh   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Mar 23 2004, 8:40 PM)I think...   Apr 24 2004, 07:33 PM
illyria   QUOTE(xjjajeengx @ Mar 25 2004, 11:46 PM)of c...   Apr 24 2004, 07:37 PM
fiji_kid   wow i dont hav time to read that.. but i think its...   Apr 24 2004, 09:42 PM
x_angawhomps   QUOTE(fiji_kid @ Apr 24 2004, 7:42 PM)wow i d...   Apr 24 2004, 09:45 PM
annchovie   my school has the moment of silence...and i go to ...   Apr 24 2004, 09:48 PM
marshmelo   I have no religion as i am alowwed to chose my own...   Apr 24 2004, 09:51 PM
PinoyOtaku   I go to a Catholic school so I guess prayer during...   Apr 24 2004, 11:03 PM
rdngurl0107   i personally dont have a direct answer, but someti...   Apr 25 2004, 12:07 AM
illyria   QUOTE(fiji_kid @ Apr 24 2004, 9:42 PM)wow i d...   Apr 25 2004, 02:45 AM
v@por   huh? it says I already voted.... wait I remember.....   Apr 25 2004, 03:09 AM
naughtyneshe   i say no cuz theres alot of ppl who dont belive in...   Apr 26 2004, 09:46 PM
Ju_CHaN   I don't think there should exactly be time set...   Apr 26 2004, 09:51 PM
euroFUSION   If you're talking about public schools, there ...   Apr 26 2004, 10:18 PM
v@por   they can't really "not allow" prayer...   Apr 26 2004, 10:19 PM
x_angawhomps   QUOTE(v@por @ Apr 26 2004, 8:19 PM)they can...   Apr 26 2004, 10:31 PM
craziplaya21   ill hav 2 say no cuz im atheist. i jus dont believ...   Apr 27 2004, 12:21 AM
angel-roh   QUOTE(craziplaya21 @ Apr 26 2004, 10:21 PM)il...   Apr 27 2004, 12:22 AM
retsmit   i dont care; people can do whatever they want to   Apr 27 2004, 08:31 PM
speight89   Not everyone is the same religion   May 30 2005, 02:24 PM
ichigofan   i dont care... ppl can do watever dey want praise...   May 30 2005, 03:16 PM
xcaitlinx   of course there shouldn't be prayer in school....   May 30 2005, 03:24 PM
waitwaitwait   No. No. No. I don't even think saying the Pled...   Jun 2 2005, 03:59 PM
x_signhere   no way. maybe if the prayer time was like a quiet ...   Jun 3 2005, 11:35 AM
KERP1UNK   school is a place to learn, not a place to pray. i...   Jun 3 2005, 09:01 PM
sammi rules you   unless it's like a religious school, i'm t...   Jun 4 2005, 11:30 AM
b0st0ngrl   If someone is religous enough to want prayer in sc...   Jun 4 2005, 03:48 PM
smile4me   QUOTE(b0st0ngrl @ Jun 4 2005, 3:48 PM)If some...   Jun 4 2005, 03:57 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I go to a catholic school every morning during co...   Jun 5 2005, 09:17 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 5 2005, 9:17 P...   Jun 5 2005, 09:28 PM
sammi rules you   well, miss kate, if i went to a catholic school th...   Jun 5 2005, 09:53 PM
BrandonSaunders   If teaching evolution is banned in school, prayer,...   Jun 5 2005, 10:25 PM
sammi rules you   ^ but teaching evolution isn't banned...   Jun 6 2005, 10:29 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 6 2005, 10:29 AM)...   Jun 6 2005, 12:03 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 6 2005, 11:03 AM)...   Jun 6 2005, 05:46 PM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 6 2005, 5:46 PM)w...   Jun 6 2005, 06:18 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(caytexo @ Jun 6 2005, 6:18 PM)definitel...   Jun 6 2005, 08:32 PM
yycleo   u know wt? i hv 2 go to chapel on EVERY SUNDAY mor...   Jun 6 2005, 11:09 AM
not_your_average   NO FORCED PRAYER IN SCHOOL! At least not forc...   Jun 6 2005, 01:59 PM
baller30   actually both theories cannot be really proven unl...   Jun 13 2005, 07:10 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(baller30 @ Jun 13 2005, 8:10 PM)actuall...   Jun 13 2005, 07:22 PM
baller30   theory i repeat is not testable, the evidence can ...   Jun 13 2005, 07:42 PM
XoJennaoX   ^ so no theory can ever been proven true or false?...   Jun 13 2005, 08:06 PM
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