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*kryogenix*
post Oct 8 2004, 03:01 PM
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I've approached some people with the question, Why John Kerry, even when you acknowlege that he's a lousy candidate? They reply "He's not George Bush. Anyone but Bush."

Well, Ralph Nader isn't George Bush. Michael Badnarik is not George Bush. Why not vote for them?

Most reply, "Because they won't win."

I thought the reason we vote was because we wanted the candidate with the closest ideals to ours to be elected. Not because we wanted to vote for the winning candidate.

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post Oct 10 2004, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 8 2004, 3:01 PM)
I've approached some people with the question, Why John Kerry, even when you acknowlege that he's a lousy candidate? They reply "He's not George Bush. Anyone but Bush."

Well, Ralph Nader isn't George Bush. Michael Badnarik is not George Bush. Why not vote for them?

Most reply, "Because they won't win."

I thought the reason we vote was because we wanted the candidate with the closest ideals to ours to be elected. Not because we wanted to vote for the winning candidate.

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Yes that is correct -- people should vote for the person they believe in most.

Unfortunately, this is impossible in our current system where a failure of a canddiate to achieve a majority of the electoral vote throws the election to the House. We should change our system to Instant Runoff Voting among four candidates (or even three) instead of the system we have now, to encourage people to vote their conscience since their vote will no longe be wasted.

However, it is inaccurate to say that this is a Democrat phenomena -- in a poll done by Rasmussen earlier this year of New Mexico voters (This was comissioned by the Libertarian Party of New Mexico) -- if the election was exactly tied and you cast the deciding vote and coudl decide who would become the next president, who would you vote for? The choices were Kerry, Badnarik, and Bush -- the result had Kerry ahead with 34%, Bush had 31%, and Badnarik had 26%. 9% were other or undecided. Many, many Republicans dislike Bush enough to vote for Badnarik or Michael Peroutka (www.peroutka2004.com) but will not because they are afraid that Kerry will win. Polls prove conclusively that nearly 30% of Republicans do not approve strongly of Bush -- yet most of them will still vote for Bush. There is hypocrisy on both sides, which is caused by our ridiculous campaign finance laws (remember Perot in 1992) and single-choice voting.
 

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kryogenix   Answer this question for me...   Oct 8 2004, 03:01 PM
ohBrian   hmm dunno if this has anything to do with ur quest...   Oct 8 2004, 03:09 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ohBrian @ Oct 8 2004, 3:09 PM)hmm dunno...   Oct 8 2004, 03:30 PM
inlonelinessidie   I guess the reason they wouldn't want to vote ...   Oct 8 2004, 03:32 PM
Retrogressive   first of all ohbrian: WTF> he looks better than...   Oct 8 2004, 03:56 PM
Heathasm   It really annoys me when people say "any one ...   Oct 8 2004, 04:39 PM
Retrogressive   I know I hate it to but honestly that's the on...   Oct 8 2004, 04:44 PM
kryogenix   to quote ComradeRed, voting for the lesser of evil...   Oct 8 2004, 04:58 PM
Heathasm   QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Oct 8 2004, 4:44 PM)I k...   Oct 8 2004, 05:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 8 2004, 4:58 PM)to quot...   Oct 8 2004, 09:32 PM
Retrogressive   wait... Kerry believes that the war was the wrong ...   Oct 8 2004, 10:09 PM
strice   jesus, these debates go around and around and arou...   Oct 8 2004, 10:13 PM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Oct 8 2004, 8:09 PM)wai...   Oct 9 2004, 01:22 AM
Retrogressive   strice: even though you basically quoted Jon Stewa...   Oct 9 2004, 01:40 AM
CrackedRearView   QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Oct 8 2004, 2:56 PM)1. ...   Oct 9 2004, 05:20 PM
Heathasm   QUOTE(strice @ Oct 8 2004, 10:13 PM)jesus, th...   Oct 9 2004, 05:28 PM
inquisitive_   QUOTE(Heathasm @ Oct 8 2004, 5:39 PM)It reall...   Oct 9 2004, 05:45 PM
Heathasm   there were no wmd cause the intel was wrong in my...   Oct 9 2004, 06:06 PM
airam   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 8 2004, 3:01 PM)Well, R...   Oct 9 2004, 06:14 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Ladii_D @ Oct 9 2004, 5:45 PM)And also,...   Oct 9 2004, 07:43 PM
strice   QUOTE(Heathasm @ Oct 9 2004, 5:28 PM)out of t...   Oct 10 2004, 02:32 AM
Heathasm   QUOTE(strice @ Oct 10 2004, 2:32 AM)most of w...   Oct 10 2004, 04:01 AM
angel-roh   all i know is that bush is telling his words to th...   Oct 10 2004, 07:11 AM
barelyy_coherent   That makes a lot of sense. I guess this just shows...   Oct 10 2004, 07:23 PM
strice   barelyy coherent, you live up your to your name. ...   Oct 10 2004, 08:24 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 8 2004, 3:01 PM)I'v...   Oct 10 2004, 08:59 PM
Retrogressive   It's the same way for democrats-- they might w...   Oct 10 2004, 09:11 PM
lilazneye10   i would pick kerry over bush not that i lyke kerry   Oct 14 2004, 12:46 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(lilazneye10 @ Oct 14 2004, 12:46 AM)i w...   Oct 14 2004, 01:44 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 8 2004, 3:01 PM)I'v...   Oct 14 2004, 04:09 PM
Alternativemado   When i turn 18 which will be in 2 years and when t...   Oct 20 2004, 05:18 PM


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