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ppl_love_me
post Aug 30 2004, 08:13 PM
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You must look at, if not read, the book called "Evolution of the Creationist" to realy argue.

The man that wrote the book was an evolutionist, untill a scholar in the colledge he was teaching at asked him to look at the topic of creation. And the research he did (originaly to prove evolution) actually only gave more evedence of creation, and he found much more!

I think the school systems are actually affending religions. In the book He points out that being an evolutionist is haveing a religion, so they are teaching blasfamy. (can't spell sry)

Also, I think scientist can only prove god exsists or he doesn't. And alot of science is ageinst the laws of god and many other religions. like the genetic experimentation on making clones, it is like trying to be god, and prove that humans can function with out him.

If you dissagree with creation. then thorouly explain to me how the parent cell came to being? and How would an animal like the Incubator Bird (look it up ppl!) evolve? and tell me some documented FACTS that has been found.

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Spirited Away
post Sep 6 2004, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 6 2004, 5:10 PM)
Yes, but remember, he can't go ageinst his own promises. He will never wipe the world out (hence the rainbow)

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He also gave us free will.


He gave me free will, so I use free will (which is the choice to disbelieve), and He punishes me for using free will. Would He rather I be a mindless slave and listen to what Christians dictate as "truth"?

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May poor people have the chance to get a better life, like the shelters, but they won't do it.


That pissed me off, a lot.

Have you ever heard of something called "the boat people"? Do you know why they are named as such? Because they literally traversed the seas IN HOPE to be in a better place than they were in. But you know what? There were many boat people that never made it back to land...

In many cases their children died so they lost the will to live. They lacked food and water and HAD TO EAT HUMAN FLESH and DRINK HUMAN BLOOD to live. Bet your sheltered life didn't expose you to those kinds of horrors, but I'm about to tell you all about it so don't worry... Young women had to disguise as males for fear of being raped by pirates. What? Are you surprise to hear that pirates still exist in this mordern era? Don't be. Roughly 2 to 3 decades ago, they still ruled some seas (and they still roam today), including the ones that the boat people sailed in. I had personally talked to several survivors about their stories and learned of the ones that didn't make it. I knew and talked at least one LIVING ex-privateer.

You said that "God send them to America", I had to laugh at that because you mention only the happy-go-lucky part of the story. You happened to skip the bad parts, which isn't surprising because Sunday school wouldn't teach you, but it did bother me that people who read it will only think of how caring God is, when in fact, it is far from the case.

He sent some to America and sent others to the depth of the cold sea where they died a lone death away from their families only when they had hopes to live with the free; He sent young women, flat on their backs bleeding and crying silent tears, while ten plus pirates take their turns to rape them, brutalize their bodies; He seperated babies from their mothers and fathers; He made man turn against man for dead human flesh and blood in order to survive.

Do you want to hear more? I have other stories aside from those of the boat people. I've read quite a bit into history, though I don't think you have to look far for those not-so-happy-endings.

Don't tell ME that God sent people to America... I'm the LAST person you will want to talk about God's good graces.

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As for people like that he sends US! Disiples, to help. If he is all knowing, don't you think he knows what he is doing when he gave us free will? WE are the ones who help one another get threw life so that we may life forever in heaven with God.


Help one another? Hahaha, I would like to see you help me when you and your own children are famished. I would like to see these disciples to give their worldly wealth to help others.

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Killings and wars are out of his hands, he would be breaking his promise. Can't you love some one who keeps all their promises? And send good hearted people to help you threw life? You want Salvation, then look for it. Thats what I've been taught.


Name some good people He sent, and what they have done for society in the name of God and I will name you some good people who have done good for society for the betterment of mankind without caring if their names will be engraved in some history books.

There is a difference between these people, you see. One obvious one is that disciples do what they do because God wills it/asks them to, while the other group just do whatever they feel is the right thing to do. Tell me, which group is better: the one that do good things ONLY because God asks that they do it, or the group that do good things just because they feel like it's the right thing to do?

It makes me wonder if I have to explain the meaning of free will one more time. Explain to me what you understand free will to be, then we'll talk again. Oh, and instead of sitting in Sunday School, skip it for one day and talk to survivors and people who literally went to Hell and back; listen to stories about the lives that were lost... And read from more than one perspective of how things really happened rather than just hear the children's book endings.

EDIT>>> I do apologize because I know that I have offended you, but all I know is that we should not forget those who did died and suffered injustices and think that they didn't want to be better off than where they were.
 

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ppl_love_me   Proof   Aug 30 2004, 08:13 PM
ComradeRed   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=...solat...   Aug 30 2004, 09:12 PM
Devastation   reading some excerpts of the book, and it seems so...   Aug 30 2004, 09:17 PM
ppl_love_me   I'm sorry, I spelled the name wrong. It is an ...   Aug 31 2004, 08:08 AM
ComradeRed   Of course you can't prove evolution, but you c...   Aug 31 2004, 09:03 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Aug 31 2004, 8:08 AM)Now,...   Aug 31 2004, 12:09 PM
raw_material   proof!! read the bible thats proof! ...   Aug 31 2004, 04:58 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 31 2004, 4:58 PM)pro...   Aug 31 2004, 05:18 PM
raw_material   ha!! i had a fealing that u where the one ...   Aug 31 2004, 05:29 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 31 2004, 4:58 PM)pro...   Aug 31 2004, 08:18 PM
Devastation   scientific reasoning seriously needs to be double ...   Aug 31 2004, 08:21 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Devastation @ Aug 31 2004, 8:21 PM)scie...   Aug 31 2004, 08:45 PM
ppl_love_me   The guy IS a christian. and yes I know there many ...   Aug 31 2004, 08:49 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Aug 31 2004, 8:49 PM)I am...   Aug 31 2004, 08:59 PM
ppl_love_me   QUOTESecondly, please refrain from making the comm...   Sep 1 2004, 08:25 AM
sikdragon   cloning isnt like trying to be God, it is still ju...   Sep 1 2004, 08:35 AM
raw_material   "If god created us to beleive in him with our...   Sep 1 2004, 12:43 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 1 2004, 8:25 AM)I nev...   Sep 1 2004, 05:12 PM
ppl_love_me   QUOTENo, YOU think about this, if the whole world ...   Sep 1 2004, 06:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 1 2004, 6:00 PM)All w...   Sep 1 2004, 07:25 PM
ReBeL_BlOoD   As far as the bible goes, guess what the number on...   Sep 1 2004, 11:49 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ReBeL_BlOoD @ Sep 1 2004, 11:49 PM)*God...   Sep 1 2004, 11:53 PM
raw_material   "God also has never flooded the earth after N...   Sep 2 2004, 06:21 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(raw_material @ Sep 2 2004, 6:21 PM)...   Sep 2 2004, 06:56 PM
synkro   QUOTEBut think about this. If god created us to be...   Sep 2 2004, 07:05 PM
ppl_love_me   QUOTE(synkro @ Sep 2 2004, 7:05 PM)we live to...   Sep 3 2004, 08:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 3 2004, 8:06 PM)Don...   Sep 3 2004, 09:16 PM
ppl_love_me   QUOTENature provides for lilies. He doesn't wa...   Sep 4 2004, 07:59 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 4 2004, 7:59 PM)We mi...   Sep 4 2004, 09:07 PM
ppl_love_me   QUOTEHmm, I wouldn't ever consider myself fool...   Sep 5 2004, 01:12 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 5 2004, 1:12 PM)I don...   Sep 6 2004, 04:07 PM
ppl_love_me   Yes, but remember, he can't go ageinst his own...   Sep 6 2004, 05:10 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 6 2004, 5:10 PM)Yes, ...   Sep 6 2004, 06:23 PM
sikdragon   Nobody argued with what i said. Does that mean i a...   Sep 9 2004, 12:57 AM
Spirited Away   Said about what? I will say something against, ju...   Sep 9 2004, 01:15 AM
ppl_love_me   QUOTE< lost. Just a statement ok I'm sti...   Sep 9 2004, 08:53 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 9 2004, 8:53 PM)Just ...   Sep 9 2004, 11:20 PM
sikdragon   QUOTEcloning isnt like trying to be God, it is sti...   Sep 10 2004, 02:09 AM
ppl_love_me   I am pissed because you insulted me. QUOTEHelp o...   Sep 12 2004, 03:32 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ppl_love_me @ Sep 12 2004, 3:32 PM)I am...   Sep 12 2004, 10:39 PM


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