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I'm sick of it, Bush Bashing
*kryogenix*
post Aug 30 2004, 08:11 AM
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I'm really getting tired of all this crap about George Bush. Lately, I've heard the word "evil" attributed to him rather than to Saddam, Bin Laden, Kim Il Jong, etc. He's been called a liar and a traitor by some dems, when they had no proof to back up their claims. I hate how people are saying that he's the reason why we're not so tight with the French anymore, when in fact, there's evidence to show that Saddam bribed the French with oil, meaning it was them who were the corrupt backstabbers. Why is this man hated so much when he's just trying to protect the United States of America?
 
 
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gerundio
post Sep 1 2004, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 1 2004, 7:23 PM)
Both of you are wrong.

Not to be disrespectful, but very few enlisted soldiers who are killed would have been a major use to society.

HL Mencken did a study of the Civil War, where he determined that, of all the people who were wounded (possibly a million people), the only three wounded soldiers who ended up contributing majorly to society were the writer Ambrose Bierce, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, and someone else that I forgot off the top of my head. Using that same principle, he concluded that of all the people who died in the Civil War, only one and a half would have made a huge difference. 620,000 people died in the Civil War ... compared to 1,000 Americans in Iraq (along with 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqis). Chances are, none of the American soldiers killed would have ended up finding a cure for cancer or anything so significant. HOWEVER, it is still MORALLY WRONG to kill tens of thousands of people -- and even if you argue that we SAVED tens of thousands of OTHER people -- the fact is that inaction is more morally just than performing both a morally right action and a morally wrong action, since your first moral duty is negative -- i.e. thou shalt not... But that's an entirely different argument.

The reason for this is simple: The people who tend to have the greatest effect on society are the people who go to the best universities, who generally have opportunities before them. If they are in the armed forces, they are probably officers (who die much less frequently than soldiers), or work non-combat job.

Your average grunt on the front lines who risks being killed or wounded tends not to have a college education. Once they leave the army, they will make less money over the course of their lifetime than people who have never been in the army in the first place. This is the case with America, it is EVEN MORE SO the case with Iraqi soldiers -- it is unlikely that any of them would've discovered a cure for anything, let alone cancer.

HOWEVER, to say that an aborted fetus could have done so is equally invalid. Aborted fetuses tend to come from mothers who would not care much for the child anyway. History shows that the VAST majority of great people -- especially in the Modern Era -- come from stable, two-parent homes. Many of them come from poor homes, but those are still stable, poor homes (the most famous example is Harlem). Very few people with irresponsible parents end up ammounting to much.

The sad truth of the matter is that aborted fetuses and frontline soldiers are in a very bad position to amount to much in the first place.

No I am not wrong. I never said that one of these people could greatly contribute to society, I just said that everyone has the same right to life.
 

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kryogenix   I'm sick of it   Aug 30 2004, 08:11 AM
MyVermilionPlague   I do agree with you. He isn't "evil...   Aug 30 2004, 08:16 AM
karrar   Why is this man hated so much when he's just t...   Aug 30 2004, 08:47 AM
ComradeRed   http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/08252004_...forge...   Aug 30 2004, 01:31 PM
Spirited Away   Hillary Clinton says that she hope the whole [Bush...   Aug 30 2004, 02:03 PM
ComradeRed   Hillary is much worse than Bush. She makes Ann Co...   Aug 30 2004, 02:05 PM
gerundio   No, he's not evil. He's a ding dong retard...   Aug 30 2004, 02:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 30 2004, 1:31 PM)http:...   Aug 30 2004, 02:32 PM
WhiteLotus*   I know. It's getting really annoying I want B...   Aug 30 2004, 02:36 PM
CrackedRearView   The simple fact is, only maybe 5% (and that's ...   Aug 30 2004, 06:17 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(WhiteLotus* @ Aug 30 2004, 2:36 PM) I k...   Aug 30 2004, 06:24 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTE(gerundio @ Aug 30 2004, 5:24 PM)Ignoran...   Aug 30 2004, 06:33 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 30 2004, 6:33 PM)...   Aug 30 2004, 07:43 PM
WhiteLotus*   ^^ like i said. maybe Bush will drop out of the wa...   Aug 30 2004, 08:04 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(WhiteLotus* @ Aug 30 2004, 8:04 PM)^^ l...   Aug 30 2004, 08:10 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 30 2004, 2:32 PM)someth...   Aug 30 2004, 09:24 PM
DavidxN   if your sick of it then go hide in a cave in some ...   Aug 30 2004, 11:26 PM
rant_notebook   if i could vote, id vote for bush, he's agains...   Aug 30 2004, 11:56 PM
F1R3B4T   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 30 2004, 2:05 PM)Hilla...   Aug 31 2004, 01:58 AM
gerundio   QUOTE(rant_notebook @ Aug 30 2004, 11:56 PM)i...   Aug 31 2004, 02:13 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(rant_notebook @ Aug 30 2004, 11:56 PM)i...   Aug 31 2004, 03:44 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEso it's better to kill a person with a fa...   Aug 31 2004, 05:50 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(gerundio @ Aug 31 2004, 2:13 PM)So you ...   Aug 31 2004, 05:51 PM
ComradeRed   No, war will cause more Americans to die ... 1000 ...   Aug 31 2004, 06:33 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 31 2004, 5:51 PM)becaus...   Aug 31 2004, 06:38 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(gerundio @ Aug 31 2004, 6:38 PM)If you ...   Aug 31 2004, 06:41 PM
xxviet727babixx   who gives a flyin ass bout dis bush crap. serious...   Aug 31 2004, 06:42 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEIt doesn't matter if the baby is going to...   Aug 31 2004, 06:48 PM
ComradeRed   So if I call you my enemy, suddenly you no longer ...   Aug 31 2004, 06:50 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 31 2004, 6:48 PM)...   Aug 31 2004, 07:18 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(DavidxN @ Aug 30 2004, 11:26 PM)if your...   Aug 31 2004, 07:30 PM
iheartsimba   2 words. GAY RIGHTS. enough said.   Aug 31 2004, 07:31 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 31 2004, 7:30 PM)AHAHAH...   Aug 31 2004, 07:45 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTEIf you're referring to the people we...   Aug 31 2004, 11:28 PM
sikdragon   QUOTE(gerundio @ Aug 31 2004, 2:13 PM)So you ...   Sep 1 2004, 09:06 AM
gerundio   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Sep 1 2004, 9:06 AM)in your...   Sep 1 2004, 11:41 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Sep 1 2004, 9:06 AM)in your...   Sep 1 2004, 01:28 PM
ryfitaDF   my bad. i just thought with such a violent history...   Sep 1 2004, 04:59 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEwhat if that 20 year old troop lying dead in ...   Sep 1 2004, 05:27 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Sep 1 2004, 5:27 PM)W...   Sep 1 2004, 05:37 PM
ComradeRed   Both of you are wrong. Not to be disrespectful, b...   Sep 1 2004, 07:23 PM
TBoltzbabe   If you're tired of Bush bashing you shouldn...   Sep 1 2004, 07:30 PM
[X]poised   you know... i want Bush to be re-elected. I don...   Sep 1 2004, 07:37 PM
Days Nearly Over   QUOTE(WhiteLotus* @ Aug 30 2004, 2:36 PM) I k...   Sep 1 2004, 07:45 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 1 2004, 7:23 PM)Both o...   Sep 1 2004, 07:46 PM
ComradeRed   That is correct, but earliuer you said they could ...   Sep 1 2004, 07:51 PM
TBoltzbabe   QUOTE(gerundio @ Sep 1 2004, 7:46 PM)No I am ...   Sep 1 2004, 08:14 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 1 2004, 7:51 PM)That i...   Sep 1 2004, 08:33 PM
gerundio   QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ Sep 1 2004, 8:14 PM)many o...   Sep 1 2004, 08:34 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Aug 31 2004, 10:28 PM)and wh...   Sep 1 2004, 08:41 PM
ComradeRed   The biggest problem with teen pregnancy is that th...   Sep 1 2004, 09:32 PM
TBoltzbabe   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Sep 1 2004, 8:41 PM)I...   Sep 2 2004, 05:15 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 1 2004, 9:32 PM)The bi...   Sep 2 2004, 07:55 AM
ComradeRed   Because people have the inalienable right to have ...   Sep 2 2004, 11:36 AM
gerundio   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 2 2004, 7:55 AM)Why not...   Sep 2 2004, 12:07 PM
racegirl24A   Im not old enough to vote, but if I could, Id vote...   Sep 2 2004, 06:35 PM
ComradeRed   You could vote for a third party, or just stay hom...   Sep 2 2004, 07:10 PM
TBoltzbabe   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 2 2004, 7:55 AM)Why not...   Sep 2 2004, 07:23 PM
mSz_dOrk_anGeL   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 30 2004, 6:17 PM)...   Sep 4 2004, 03:35 PM


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