is there an heaven and a hell??, and which one are you going to? Options

[LiNHy POO]

well me and my boyfriend were talking a few nights ago.. like the title says.. personally.. i believe in greek myth.. and think that everyone goes to the underworld.. ruled by hades.. i dont know if there really is a heavan.. and i dont care where i go.. all i know is that im gonna be buried in the ground..

[Spirited Away]

The passion of the Christ was just a movie. His suffering was much worse than that.

Duke it out with Mel Gibson, he's the one who wrongly portrayed it... though, I've been told it was accurate except that he suffered longer than the movie (obviously).

Sorry if i sounded like I was focusing more on death and suffering, but I was trying to say that it's good to have all those success (work, family, friends..etc.) I don't think that living life for these things are not right, I just believe that life is just a stepping stone for eternity. For me, I want to live life in the light of eternity, I want to know life after death and what reallly happens. The things in between as you mentioned ARE important aspects in my daily life, but I believe those are not the ONLY things. As Christians "it is better to die once and born again in heaven, than to die twice suffering in hell."

The main distinction between us is NOT in our differing views on religion, but rather, it is in our expectations.

My expectations only go as far as this life, and in my humble opinion, to plan for anything beyond mortality is illogical. As for Christians who say that it is better to die once and go to Heaven... etc, it seems like their fear of Hell is the only motivation to believe. Perhaps there is also the love of God that drive them to believe, but I have the love of life, and that's enough.

I don't think it's wrong to simply live life, cuz life is beautiful and it is worth living for. That's why God put us here on earth, to enjoy what he has blessed us with and to develop faith and a relationship with Him. Heaven and hell are juss two choices in eternity, just like in life, you have choice to go to school because you want to get education, and education will get you a good job, and therefore be successful. In life, everything has a cycle, families live in generation after generation. You wouldn't make friends if you think you didnt need them later on in life. So there has got to be something else we are living for in life itself. (besides the good things in life.)

Once again, our expectations of what life is and isn't set the stage for this debate. I think what you're getting at (let me know if I'm wrong) is simply "life is short" and that life isn't Paradise, therefore there must be something more to offer than this.

I think life is short, too, so then I must live, to the best of my ability, so that I will never regret not living (not knowing what life has to offer).

Life, to me, isn't Paradise either, but it is close to it depending HOW you look at things. There are sufferings and there are plenty of Evil, but IF my life's purpose of contributing positively to society succeeds, then I will rid the world of ONE LESS Evil, and THAT is a "steping stone" to Paradise on Earth.

Also another thing, you mention being content on focusing on living, do you believe life ends completely after that, or do you think there is an afterlife, just not in heaven or hell. I'm just curious (this might start another topic..but sorry)

In my concept of life, I do not emphasize Death simply because I am open to all posibilities: reincarnation, Heaven and Hell, even nothingness, and others. Knowing that I will go to Hell for my disbelief, I choose to accept it as something inevitable, but I will not completely betray myself to religion.