The Good in President Bush, I would like to know... Options

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I've read many debates regarding George Bush and John Kerry. Unlike Bush, Kerry never had a chance to prove himself as a president and show the American people how he could help this country and its people. George Bush had almost 4 years now to make a difference, and in my opinion any difference he made was make our country worse than it was before. I just don't understand why people like Bush. I really don't. I've heard unrational reasons, such as "He is a Christian" and "He is a strong leader", but I have not heard any REAL reasons on why Bush is a good person/president. So pleeease... someone tell me why so many people out there like Bush.

I would like non war related reasons, because i am against the war and therefore I will disagree with almost any reason given regarding the war.
For example: if you say you like Bush because he caught Saddam Hussein, my reply would be that he had no probable cause to go after Hussein. Even if he saw him as a threat, Bush had no proof or real intelligence to have reasons to bomb Suddam's country and capture him. I also don't believe in pre-emptive attacks. I think they are extremely hypocritical and destructive.

So if anyone has any input on how Bush improved our economy, environment, societal problems, scientific and technological advances, or anything along those lines please let me know.

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I remember specifically saying that it would be stupid for the President to do so without the consent of Congress, sorry to burst YOUR bubble.

Yea you said it was stupid, but you also made it seem like a president couldn't do that with this quote:

hmm, I don't know if you know how this works, but the President doesn't just declare war and BAM, America goes to war.

What you are saying the President doesnt do, IS possible.

This, once again, has been answered. Because Kerry said that he would have gone to war, what makes you think that Kerry would be any better than Bush?

I already answered this saying that since Kerry wasn't our president at the time he did not have all the facts availbale and could only go by what was released to the public, which was a bunch of crap anyways. I don't know what he would of done, but if he knew what Bush knew I don't think he would have gone to war with Iraq. He might of invaded Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama, but no one has a problem with that. Kerry does not have any personal motives to invade Iraq, unlike Bush. What motives does Bush have?
1. Revenge. He even said so himself that he wanted to get Saddam because he threatened Bush Sr. The elder Bush's high point of presidency was also tainted by his unability to despose of Saddam.
2. Oil. One of the Bush regimine's main goal was to secure compnay oil-profits. Since Iraq has more oil than the U.S., Canada, and Mexico combined, invading Iraq seemed like a good business move, huh?
3. Bush's domestic agenda. As long as we are at war, if anyone questions anything-- such as his tax cut for the rich, environmental despoilation, or restrictions of civil liberties via the Patriot Act-- these opposers are accused of "supporting terrorism."
4. To enforce the fact that America is a great Imperial power and we can do whatever we want regardless of what anyone says, including an international policing group (the UN).

If you disagree, then please tell me something good about Kerry.

I can't say what Kerry has done because he did not have 4 years to prove himself, like Bush. Both Kerry and Bush can promise what they want, but like I said actions speak louder than words. Knowing that Bush did not fulfill most of his promises, atleast I can see that he is not a man to trust. One thing I do like about Kerry is his promise to lower educational fees, such as college tuition. Also, he is one to further the advancement of science and technology, unlike Bush who is hindering stem cell research which is imperative to many medical advances. ( this hits me close to home, being a biology major and knowing the importance of stem cell research and science and technology as a whole).

Bush has done an awesome job has president, everything he has promised has been brought before congress. foreign policy was humble he asked for humble support, he humbly flipped off the UN, he humbly asked Hussein for his weapons, hussein spit in his face so he humbly bombed the hell outta his country.

The economy is doing well considering we are at war. He created more jobs by giving the rich more money so they can afford to have more employees. He is working to get our guns back and raise the ages to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldnt have them. He is showing he has moral back bone by trying to get the amendmant passed redefining marraige. with the patriot act he gave law enforcement more right so they can protect us better. Bush doesnt flip-flop he supports everything he says and doesnt change his stance just to make the crowd love him. He is against abortion, he signed the partial-birth abortion act and believes tax-payers should not pay for abortions, or the advocation of such events. he is against affirmative action. President Bush's Jobs and Growth act sped up the 2001 tax cuts to increase the pace of economic recovery and job creation. he signed a law that increased prescriptions covered by medicare. He opposes a highway bill that increases the gas tax. Bush signed a proclamation in december 2003 ending temporary steel tariffs.

those are just some of the great things he has done.

ok I'm going to assume that you weren't joking with most of the stuff you said. so if you were trying to be sarcastic, I'm sorry but I couldn't tell. Well let me start from the beginning...
1. Bush has not done everything he promised, even if he brought it in front of congress it is not fully completed. And if he really wanted it done then would have put forth more effort than that.

But Bush has broken all of his major 2000 promises, except for cutting taxes (and even then, his cuts won't last). I think that's a bit worse.

(from comradRed) and those tax cuts were for rich people, who were mostly republican and supporters of Bush.
2. "Flipping off the UN" shows that Bush could not justify his reasons for war. The UN is an international policing group, in order to keep things right. But isnce we are america we can cause all the chaos and terrotr we want. I mean, if Germany decided to invade a country against everyone's wishes, do you think people would stand for that? i highly doubt it.
3. What could have Hussin done when Bush asked for WMD, since apparnetly Iraq didn't have any? I would have been pissed if i was Saddam. I mean, the US was asking him for something he apparantly doesn't have, yet we own the most WMD in the world. just a lil hypocritical.
4. The economy is not doing well at all. Our unemployment rate is at an all time high, and our national debt is at an all time high.
5. The patriot act is a violation of our constitutional rights and privacy. Let me quote Mini...

Bush is also supporting the Patriot's Act. In my opinion, the Patriot Act is rewritting the Constitution because it is allowing agencies to look everything on you and what you are doing if someone anonymously accuse you of being a terrorist. It is like back in the days when the Red Scare was around, people were EXILED because they were accused of being a Commie even though they weren't. I don't want McCarthyism to come back.

6. Bush does change his ideals....let me quote comradred again

Bush is a major flip-flopper.

In 2000:
- Supported a "more restrained and humble foreign policy" (his own words)
- Promised to cut spending
- Strongly opposed to affirmative action

In 2004:
- Supports invading small countries
- Raised government spending more than any other president in history
- Supports affirmative action

He is trying to move to the left while still appeasing his MIC sponsors ... leading to major neo-conservative bullsh*t.

7. Bush's tax cuts were for the rich, making the rich richer and poor poorer. i don't see any good in that. Bush is making his supporters happy and that's it.
8. i personally have not seen any decrease in gas prices. Maybe the tax is decreased, but perhaps the prices stay the same? I dont know.

Thanks for your input sikdragon. Atleast you attempted to answer the topic question. However, I disagree with you on many of your comments, but that's just how politics is. I'm not sure about the other statements you made about Bush, but if it's true about redifining marriage (whatever that means), increasing medicare, and reducing steel tax... well then... um, good for him.