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The Good in President Bush, I would like to know...
Alpha240
post Aug 17 2004, 09:09 AM
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I've read many debates regarding George Bush and John Kerry. Unlike Bush, Kerry never had a chance to prove himself as a president and show the American people how he could help this country and its people. George Bush had almost 4 years now to make a difference, and in my opinion any difference he made was make our country worse than it was before. I just don't understand why people like Bush. I really don't. I've heard unrational reasons, such as "He is a Christian" and "He is a strong leader", but I have not heard any REAL reasons on why Bush is a good person/president. So pleeease... someone tell me why so many people out there like Bush.

I would like non war related reasons, because i am against the war and therefore I will disagree with almost any reason given regarding the war.
For example: if you say you like Bush because he caught Saddam Hussein, my reply would be that he had no probable cause to go after Hussein. Even if he saw him as a threat, Bush had no proof or real intelligence to have reasons to bomb Suddam's country and capture him. I also don't believe in pre-emptive attacks. I think they are extremely hypocritical and destructive.

So if anyone has any input on how Bush improved our economy, environment, societal problems, scientific and technological advances, or anything along those lines please let me know.
 
 
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post Aug 17 2004, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 17 2004, 9:49 PM)
I think that there is a big difference between a citizan supporting the war, and the president having the country go to war.  The president has all the information/intelligence regarding valid reasons to go to war, while citizens of america can only go by what the white house releases.  I know a lot of poeple who supported the war in the beginning because of Bush's deceits of the reasons for war.  Now that the TRUTH is coming to light, more and more people disapprove of what we have done... and still are doing.  The president is the one who can take action and therefore has A LOT more responsibilty for his decisions.  He is the one who truly knows what is going on.  So, I really do think Kerry would have done things differently.. He may have sent to troops to Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden's capture, which I don't have any problem with, but I really dont think he would have done anything in Iraq... since there was NO reason at all.

hmm, I don't know if you know how this works, but the President doesn't just declare war and BAM, America goes to war. He actually discussed with Congress and Congress approved. It would incredibly stupid of Bush to just jump into war without consent from Congress. I think you skipped some of your government classes.

You may think that Kerry would do things differently, but "there is a big difference between" would have done and done. There was an interview with Kerry that someone posted in another topic about Kerry's response to the Iraq War.... I think he said something along the lines of he would have gone to war as well. I'll try to find it again for your sake.


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So you are qualified to say who is more evil simply by the policies you disagree with?  I actually find that quite comical.  Also, I find it interesting how many americans have been brainwashed by the government/public schools to immediately think that communism=BAD.  Every government has it's good and bad, so who are we to say that democracry is the best and every country needs to be democratic.   Don't get me wrong, I love this country and democracy but we need to get over our arrogance.


And what I find comical is that you disregard the words "in my opinion" to your liking. I hope you know there are no truths in playing politics and also in discussing it. Whatever side I take is the side that I show affinity to and, in that sense, I'm no different than you when you support Kerry. You're right about Americans being brainwashed though. Many kids don't even think about what they say before accusing others of being "brainwashed". I personally think Communism is bad because I LIVED it and experienced first hand what communism has to offer its poor. If it's not bad to you, then that's your opinion. I have the right to hold mine. Now what's even more ridiculous is someone saying that "AMERICANS" need to get over our arrogance. I think the word "Americans" is too generalized. To group intellectuals in with amatures is a fallacy and not all Americans are Bush/Kerry fanatics.

Because I do not like neither Bush nor Kerry as presidential candidates, I must then ask you if there is any goood in Kerry. Bush has my vote, and yes I'm registered to vote, simply because he is my choice over Kerry. If the only good in Bush is that he must finish what he has started, then at least he got one more credential over Kerry.
 

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sweetx305   The Good in President Bush   Aug 17 2004, 09:09 AM
Spirited Away   Tell me what Kerry could've done diffently for...   Aug 17 2004, 10:26 AM
pikimoo   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 17 2004, 7:26 AM)Te...   Aug 17 2004, 10:31 AM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(pikimoo @ Aug 17 2004, 8:31 AM)Well, if...   Aug 17 2004, 10:36 AM
th5418   The fact he took down a tyrant?   Aug 17 2004, 10:36 AM
Spirited Away   What do you know about Kerry and what he supports ...   Aug 17 2004, 10:36 AM
pikimoo   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 17 2004, 7:36 AM)Wh...   Aug 17 2004, 10:43 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pikimoo @ Aug 17 2004, 10:43 AM)Err.. n...   Aug 17 2004, 10:48 AM
pikimoo   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 17 2004, 7:48 AM)Hm...   Aug 17 2004, 10:51 AM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 17 2004, 8:36 AM)An...   Aug 17 2004, 02:30 PM
ComradeRed   www.jibjab.com : Nicely summarizes the main differ...   Aug 17 2004, 02:44 PM
inlonelinessidie   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 17 2004, 12:44 PM)www....   Aug 17 2004, 02:44 PM
ComradeRed   It is...   Aug 17 2004, 02:52 PM
Devastation   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 17 2004, 2:44 PM)www.j...   Aug 17 2004, 03:31 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEcomradered knows his stuff, taking an animati...   Aug 17 2004, 03:37 PM
Devastation   QUOTE(Kathleen @ Aug 17 2004, 3:37 PM)Whoa......   Aug 17 2004, 03:43 PM
ComradeRed   lol thanks!   Aug 17 2004, 05:35 PM
highly_evolved   i still havnt read anything about wats good about ...   Aug 17 2004, 08:18 PM
ComradeRed   Bush is a major flip-flopper. In 2000: - Supporte...   Aug 17 2004, 08:32 PM
highly_evolved   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 17 2004, 8:32 PM)Bush ...   Aug 17 2004, 08:53 PM
Mini   Bush is also supporting the Patriot's Act. In ...   Aug 17 2004, 09:19 PM
highly_evolved   yeah and not many ppl who should have read the pat...   Aug 17 2004, 09:23 PM
CrackedRearView   Can any one of the Kerry supporters out there expl...   Aug 17 2004, 09:24 PM
sweetx305   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 17 2004, 9:24 PM)...   Aug 17 2004, 09:49 PM
th5418   QUOTE(highly_evolved @ Aug 17 2004, 8:18 PM)i...   Aug 17 2004, 09:51 PM
CrackedRearView   I just want you to explain to me why you think pre...   Aug 17 2004, 09:51 PM
ComradeRed   OH yes, Kerry is a huge hypocrite, there's no ...   Aug 17 2004, 09:56 PM
Mini   I don't like either. I want Comrade Red as Pre...   Aug 17 2004, 10:14 PM
sweetx305   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 17 2004, 9:51 PM)...   Aug 17 2004, 10:26 PM
highly_evolved   hey this topic is about wat good bush has down to ...   Aug 17 2004, 10:27 PM
Mini   Doesn't anyone listen to me? Screw them both a...   Aug 17 2004, 10:36 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 17 2004, 9:49 PM)I thin...   Aug 17 2004, 10:38 PM
Mini   QUOTESo you are qualified to say who is more evil ...   Aug 17 2004, 10:45 PM
highly_evolved   thats a scary thought.. yes the idea of communism ...   Aug 17 2004, 10:47 PM
Mini   QUOTE(highly_evolved @ Aug 17 2004, 10:47 PM)...   Aug 17 2004, 10:49 PM
angel-roh   i dont like kerry and i dont like bush. i hate bot...   Aug 17 2004, 10:51 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 17 2004, 2:44 PM)www.j...   Aug 17 2004, 10:54 PM
highly_evolved   world peace means pleasing everyone. if u cant hav...   Aug 17 2004, 10:54 PM
Mini   QUOTE(highly_evolved @ Aug 17 2004, 10:54 PM)...   Aug 17 2004, 10:55 PM
angel-roh   im not making another debate on gay marriages. all...   Aug 17 2004, 10:57 PM
highly_evolved   well thats nice to know but i hope urealize that t...   Aug 17 2004, 10:58 PM
Mini   WEll, I hate them both too. VOTE FOR COMRADE RED...   Aug 17 2004, 10:59 PM
sweetx305   QUOTEhmm, I don't know if you know how this wo...   Aug 17 2004, 11:58 PM
ryfitaDF   i don't like kerry for any reason other than h...   Aug 18 2004, 12:04 AM
Mini   QUOTEI agree that democracy is a better form of go...   Aug 18 2004, 12:14 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 17 2004, 11:58 PM)Actua...   Aug 18 2004, 12:16 AM
CrackedRearView   QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 17 2004, 9:26 PM)I thin...   Aug 18 2004, 12:30 AM
Mini   Let me ask a question, what does John Kerry have t...   Aug 18 2004, 12:52 AM
sikdragon   Bush has done an awesome job has president, every...   Aug 18 2004, 07:59 AM
Mini   Although, Bush is trying to make good attentions, ...   Aug 18 2004, 09:21 AM
sikdragon   it isnt doing more harm than good, i mean not that...   Aug 18 2004, 09:32 AM
sweetx305   QUOTEI remember specifically saying that it would ...   Aug 18 2004, 09:52 AM
sikdragon   QUOTEok I'm going to assume that you weren...   Aug 18 2004, 09:56 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 18 2004, 9:52 AM)Yea yo...   Aug 18 2004, 10:11 AM
sikdragon   dont i get a quote? :'(   Aug 18 2004, 10:35 AM
Kathleen   QUOTE4. The economy is not doing well at all. Our ...   Aug 18 2004, 05:38 PM
sugarcultluver   Heres why my family supports Bush: - hes going aft...   Aug 18 2004, 05:48 PM
ComradeRed   Is there a large political constituency that is ag...   Aug 18 2004, 06:29 PM
Devastation   the good in bush is basically many reasons, he pla...   Aug 18 2004, 07:30 PM
Knight   I think Bush isn't exactly the best president....   Aug 18 2004, 07:32 PM
Devastation   basically dude above me. but, in his strong debate...   Aug 18 2004, 07:42 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(sugarcultluver @ Aug 18 2004, 5:48 PM)-...   Aug 18 2004, 07:52 PM
Devastation   not really going after terreriosts basically just ...   Aug 18 2004, 08:12 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEcorrect me if i'm wrong but isn't tha...   Aug 18 2004, 08:54 PM
highly_evolved   BY GIVING US NO JOBS!!! NO JOBS = NO M...   Aug 18 2004, 09:16 PM
ryfitaDF   concidering when clinton raised taxes on the wealt...   Aug 18 2004, 09:18 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(highly_evolved @ Aug 18 2004, 9:16 PM)B...   Aug 18 2004, 09:24 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 18 2004, 9:24 PM)After...   Aug 18 2004, 09:32 PM
ComradeRed   The War on Terror is very cheap. The most expensiv...   Aug 18 2004, 09:38 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 18 2004, 9:38 PM)...   Aug 18 2004, 09:59 PM
sweetx305   there's a lot of comments I want to reply to.....   Aug 18 2004, 10:21 PM
Spirited Away   So does harvesting stem cells destroy the embryo t...   Aug 19 2004, 12:08 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Aug 18 2004, 9:59 PM)but wha...   Aug 19 2004, 07:38 AM
sweetx305   Harvesting stem cells DO destroy the embryo, and t...   Aug 19 2004, 07:39 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sweetx305 @ Aug 19 2004, 7:39 AM)Therap...   Aug 19 2004, 12:44 PM
sweetx305   QUOTETherapeutic cloning isn't illegal, is it?...   Aug 20 2004, 07:10 AM
sikdragon   http://www.georgewbush.com/Media/Economy.swf go h...   Aug 23 2004, 01:20 AM
angel-roh   i just know that kerry just wants the money and no...   Aug 23 2004, 03:49 AM
scleex88   i hate bush, he sucks. hes nto christian, hes ****   Aug 23 2004, 03:52 AM
angel-roh   QUOTE(scleex88 @ Aug 23 2004, 1:52 AM)i hate ...   Aug 23 2004, 03:54 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ Aug 23 2004, 3:49 AM)i just...   Aug 23 2004, 11:52 AM
Angelos   aint no good and bush all though technically Chene...   Aug 23 2004, 11:58 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Angelos @ Aug 23 2004, 11:58 AM)aint no...   Aug 23 2004, 01:15 PM
Suesterrx   theres one good thing in bush. and that hes a majo...   Aug 28 2004, 10:06 PM
Kathleen   You mean worse as in no more people are being tort...   Aug 28 2004, 10:22 PM
ComradeRed   So... The thousand American soldiers nad $200...   Aug 29 2004, 08:01 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Suesterrx @ Aug 28 2004, 10:06 PM)there...   Aug 30 2004, 07:54 AM
ComradeRed   We could remove all the evil dictators in the worl...   Aug 30 2004, 01:33 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 17 2004, 7:26 AM)Te...   Sep 7 2004, 10:23 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(barelyy_coherent @ Sep 7 2004, 10:23 PM...   Sep 7 2004, 10:48 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 7 2004, 7:48 PM)Hmm...   Sep 7 2004, 11:17 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(barelyy_coherent @ Sep 7 2004, 11:17 PM...   Sep 7 2004, 11:30 PM
jo3   Look at what the League of Nations (pretty much t...   Sep 7 2004, 11:52 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEour intelligence agency is pretty up to date ...   Sep 8 2004, 12:23 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTEthen i have a good idea. the US should get ri...   Sep 8 2004, 03:29 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 7 2004, 8:30 PM)I d...   Sep 8 2004, 05:38 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Sep 8 2004, 3:29 PM)if he ko...   Sep 8 2004, 06:41 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 8 2004, 6:41 PM)Kerry ...   Sep 8 2004, 06:48 PM
ComradeRed   Bush and his entire entourage is anti-draft... A ...   Sep 8 2004, 07:11 PM
jo3   kinda random, but sorry comradered....zell miller...   Sep 8 2004, 08:26 PM
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