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people hate Bush, no one even gives him a chance |
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Sometimes a political figure becomes so hated that he can't do anything right in the eyes of his enemies. President Bush has achieved this rare and exalted status. His critics are so blinded by animus that the internal consistency of their attacks on him no longer matters. For them, Bush is the double-bind president.
If he stumbles over his words, he is an embarrassing idiot. If he manages to cut taxes or wage a war against Saddam Hussein with bipartisan support, he is a manipulative genius. If he hasn't been able to capture Osama bin Laden, he is endangering U.S. security. If he catches bin Laden, it is only a ploy to influence the elections. If he ignores U.N. resolutions, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he takes U.N. resolutions on Iraq seriously, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he doesn't get France to agree to his Iraq policy, he is ignoring important international actors. If he supports multiparty talks on North Korea, he is not doing enough to ignore important international actors. If he bombed Iraq, he should have bombed Saudi Arabia instead, and if he had bombed Saudi Arabia, he should have bombed Iran, and if he had bombed all three, he shouldn't have bombed anyone at all. If he imposes a U.S. occupation on Iraq, he is fomenting Iraqi resistance by making the United States seem an imperial power. If he ends the U.S. occupation, he is cutting and running. If he warns of a terror attack, he is playing alarmist politics. If he doesn't warn of a terror attack, he is dangerously asleep at the switch. If he says we're safer, he's lying, and if he doesn't say we're safer, he's implicitly admitting that he has failed in his core duty as commander in chief. If he adopts a doctrine of preemption, he is unacceptably remaking American national-security policy. If the United States suffers a terror attack on his watch, he should have preempted it. If he signs a far-reaching antiterror law, he is abridging civil liberties. If the United States suffers another terror attack on his watch, he should have had a more vigorous anti-terror law. |
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QUOTE i'm pretty sure most successful politians are more worried about their political butts than integrity and honor, because if they were more concerned about integrity and honor, then they wouldn't be that successful (even though they should be more successful and more respected...but people wanna hear what they wanna here, and politicians will do that they gotta do to get votes) Successful, yes. But good people? People I would want running the country? No. They sure created a lot of success for themselves, but not for the country at large. I accdientally deleted your first point, but basically the draft is slavery. He can fight with a volunteer army all he wants, that's fine, but as soon as he starts using conscript soldiers, he becomes a tyrant worthy of overthrowing. I did not oppose the Iraq War quite so strongly for that very reason. QUOTE we're having another election in 4 months? that alone shows that Bush doesn't have absolute power (unless Kerry is assassinated all of a sudden, but i highly highly highly doubt Bush would do something like that) No, but Bush had absolute power for four years -- which is my point, he had his chance. QUOTE not many ppl have the balls to go out a kill someone. but its pretty easy to try to steal something, or maybe drink and drive, or sell illegal drugs Those are still considered "violent" crimes ... nonviolent crimes are things like USING drugs in your own house, or having sex with someone of your same sex in your own house, etc... things that only hurt yourself. QUOTE i agree, but sometimes being belligerent is the only option (going into war constantly is definately a bad thing, but war will always occur) Murder will always occur... doesn't mean we should keep doing it. QUOTE Nov. 2004 is where it all happens. may the best man win I don't like Kerry, but he will win, for three main reasons: - He is taller. 90% of the time, the guy who is taller wins. In fact, in every election since 1976, the taller candidate has defeated the shorter candidate. - He has better hair. Most of the time, the guy with better hair wins. He even brought this up in his ad. - Fiscal conservatives in New Hampshire and workers in Ohio/WVa. Might cost Bush those three states. |
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