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people hate Bush, no one even gives him a chance
jo3
post Jul 25 2004, 12:36 AM
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Sometimes a political figure becomes so hated that he can't do anything right in the eyes of his enemies. President Bush has achieved this rare and exalted status. His critics are so blinded by animus that the internal consistency of their attacks on him no longer matters. For them, Bush is the double-bind president.

If he stumbles over his words, he is an embarrassing idiot. If he manages to cut taxes or wage a war against Saddam Hussein with bipartisan support, he is a manipulative genius.

If he hasn't been able to capture Osama bin Laden, he is endangering U.S. security. If he catches bin Laden, it is only a ploy to influence the elections.

If he ignores U.N. resolutions, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he takes U.N. resolutions on Iraq seriously, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he doesn't get France to agree to his Iraq policy, he is ignoring important international actors. If he supports multiparty talks on North Korea, he is not doing enough to ignore important international actors.

If he bombed Iraq, he should have bombed Saudi Arabia instead, and if he had bombed Saudi Arabia, he should have bombed Iran, and if he had bombed all three, he shouldn't have bombed anyone at all. If he imposes a U.S. occupation on Iraq, he is fomenting Iraqi resistance by making the United States seem an imperial power. If he ends the U.S. occupation, he is cutting and running.

If he warns of a terror attack, he is playing alarmist politics. If he doesn't warn of a terror attack, he is dangerously asleep at the switch. If he says we're safer, he's lying, and if he doesn't say we're safer, he's implicitly admitting that he has failed in his core duty as commander in chief.

If he adopts a doctrine of preemption, he is unacceptably remaking American national-security policy. If the United States suffers a terror attack on his watch, he should have preempted it. If he signs a far-reaching antiterror law, he is abridging civil liberties. If the United States suffers another terror attack on his watch, he should have had a more vigorous anti-terror law.
 
 
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post Jul 26 2004, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 26 2004, 2:40 PM)
People today don't care about individual rights. We started the American Revolution over a 1.5% sales tax. Today, we have a 45% income tax. If the ideals of the Founding Fathers were still alive, Dubya would be hanging from a tree.

go read some history books...ur history's all wrong. there had been previous taxes and tariffs before the stamp act (which was considered the one that started all the problems), but the colonists didn't care (enough to start a war). what got them was that the Parliament was making laws, and the colonists had no say in it. they called it "taxation without representation." Britain claimed that the Parliament represented all of Britian's colonies through virtual representation, but the colonists didn't see it that way. so that's when the colonists started to rebel. not because of the little tax.

and by the way, income tax is a progressive tax. that means it varies. those who make a lot of money pay a higher percentage than those who have a lower income. so no, the income tax percentage isn't at 45%.

and if the ideals of the Founding Fathers were still alive, only white landowning men could vote. but guess what? times have changed.

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All he did was cause gang warfare in inner cities, end what little hope blacks had of achieving truly equal rights, and sending 60,000 Americans to die in an Asian civil war -- most of whom were drafted against their will.


look at the good things johnson did. without medicare and social security, a LOT of ppl today would be screwed (especially the elderly)

you do realize that many people wanted the war...until people realized that too many soldiers were dying, and we were getting no where. that's when Americans decided to go on marches and demand the government to withdraw their troops.

the US wanted to stop the spread of communism, so they tried to stop the north from taking over the south. this was all during the cold war, which was after WWII and after the Korean War, 2 other times where the US tried to stop communism from spreading.

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Being the fascist you are, I can see why you like him so much.


do you even know what fascism is? obviously you don't

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fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition


ok...i believe in a centralized government over strong state governments and a weak centralized government. but Bush isn't a dictator. our economy's actually doing better than it used to (post 9/11), and the government doesn't kill people for speaking out against them (Amendment #1 - freedom of speech, freedom of the press). don't even try to say that our government is like that of Mussolini's, or Hitler's, or Stalin's. they're NOTHING alike.

and good job. people resort to name calling because their arguments are weak, so they have nothing left to say except, "you're ______". that's VERY mature of you......

maybe if you were 10 years old, then i'd understand, but since you're 16, and you're still taking the name-calling route, i'm speechless.......
 

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jo3   people hate Bush   Jul 25 2004, 12:36 AM
grapplefan   *high fives you , for your view and your opinions*...   Jul 25 2004, 12:57 AM
ComradeRed   What are you talking about? We've given Bush a...   Jul 25 2004, 10:31 AM
jo3   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 25 2004, 10:31 AM)What...   Jul 25 2004, 11:45 PM
strice   some may argue that he should be impeached, it...   Jul 25 2004, 11:55 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(jo3 @ Jul 25 2004, 11:45 PM)if this was...   Jul 26 2004, 07:16 AM
jo3   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 26 2004, 7:16 AM)Or ma...   Jul 26 2004, 11:05 AM
bibliomania   QUOTE(jo3 @ Jul 26 2004, 11:05 AM)ok...you ca...   Jul 26 2004, 01:20 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTEwhich means that it was the people's deci...   Jul 26 2004, 02:40 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEPeople today don't care about individual ...   Jul 26 2004, 02:45 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jul 26 2004, 2:45 PM)Times c...   Jul 26 2004, 02:46 PM
jo3   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 26 2004, 2:40 PM)Peopl...   Jul 26 2004, 03:30 PM
ComradeRed   Hmm... I have a 5 on the AP US History test, and...   Jul 26 2004, 04:12 PM
jo3   ok...i agree w/ some of the stuff u mentioned (lik...   Jul 26 2004, 04:49 PM
Devastation   As well as the Bush administration being as ruthle...   Jul 26 2004, 04:51 PM
masu_misairu   QUOTENov. 2004 is where it all happens. may the be...   Jul 26 2004, 05:03 PM
jo3   i'm not too sure how gore would have handled 9...   Jul 26 2004, 05:03 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTEi'm pretty sure most successful politians...   Jul 26 2004, 05:16 PM
Devastation   QUOTE(jo3 @ Jul 25 2004, 12:36 AM)Sometimes a...   Jul 26 2004, 05:33 PM
jo3   i bet if Bush captured bin Ladin, then more ppl wo...   Jul 26 2004, 08:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 26 2004, 4:12 PM)Well,...   Jul 27 2004, 05:56 PM
ComradeRed   Iraqi partisans ... Of course they are going to do...   Jul 27 2004, 06:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 27 2004, 6:01 PM)Iraqi...   Jul 27 2004, 06:05 PM
ComradeRed   Who else would be involved?   Jul 27 2004, 06:12 PM
Spirited Away   Terrorists who claim to be Iraqi partisans? I don...   Jul 27 2004, 06:41 PM
jo3   no one really knows who's behind all of this. ...   Jul 27 2004, 06:44 PM
ComradeRed   Chances are it was Iraqi Partisans ... they have t...   Jul 27 2004, 06:48 PM
Mireh   Wow. You get a cookie for that. Thats so true. I...   Jul 27 2004, 06:50 PM
jo3   what kind?? i like macademia nut w/ white chocolat...   Jul 27 2004, 07:15 PM
jo3   yep. but that can be expected, since politics is ...   Jul 28 2004, 11:23 AM
ComradeRed   Actually politics only became a big thing recently...   Jul 28 2004, 11:30 AM
Sumiaki   He should just stick to his speech cards or telepr...   Jul 28 2004, 12:54 PM
jo3   how do you know that? i doubt u ever talked about...   Jul 28 2004, 01:04 PM
black_cloud10   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 25 2004, 10:31 AM)What...   Jul 28 2004, 01:16 PM
jo3   i don't bash ppl online who don't agree wi...   Jul 28 2004, 02:17 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(jo3 @ Jul 28 2004, 2:17 PM)i don't ...   Jul 28 2004, 04:25 PM
CHiiCKENBUTT   Yea Really! Like all my friends are like ...   Jan 13 2007, 09:05 PM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(CHiiCKENBUTT @ Jan 13 2007, 9:05 PM...   Jan 13 2007, 09:11 PM
tooeffingcrazy   QUOTE(CHiiCKENBUTT @ Jan 13 2007, 9:05 PM...   Jan 13 2007, 09:21 PM
x1227x   Honestly, I dont like Bush. He's the one who...   Jan 13 2007, 09:31 PM
amerrss   QUOTE(x1227x @ Jan 13 2007, 6:31 PM) I pe...   Jan 13 2007, 09:37 PM
x1227x   ^ I'm pretty sure that's the reason why EV...   Jan 13 2007, 09:39 PM
tooeffingcrazy   It's not that he's fighting with Iraq, it...   Jan 14 2007, 01:07 PM
Angelina Taylor   He has no reason to be in Iraq. It's none of A...   Jan 14 2007, 08:01 PM
miiichellley   i am not going to say that i hate bush. i don...   Jan 14 2007, 09:18 PM
Endless_Symphony   i don't hate bush. i think that he makes a poo...   Jan 14 2007, 09:36 PM
Angelina Taylor   Al Gore would have been so much more suitable for ...   Jan 15 2007, 07:34 AM
xcaitlinx   ^ yep, that's part of his new "plan...   Jan 15 2007, 08:31 AM
kryogenix   Bush could be better but I'd rather him than t...   Jan 15 2007, 11:59 AM
tooeffingcrazy   QUOTEhe is stuck between a rock and a hard place. ...   Jan 15 2007, 01:08 PM
Endless_Symphony   ^except civilian iraqis aren't dying at the ha...   Jan 15 2007, 01:22 PM


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