Why Bush is a horrible president, And why the war is pointless Options

[XxNenAxX]

...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.

[ComradeRed]

A more informed person should know that the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law has been an ongoing struggle for centuries (i.e. Les Miserables).

We don't follow the law word for word, ComradeRed, in many cases we throw the literal meaning out of the window, and stick to what we perceive it to mean.  That's one of the beautiful things about this country; it's ability to reason, unlike 17th century England, etc.

The Spirit of the Law is meaningless when there is nothing to check the government, simply because the government can interpret it as whatever it wants. Every dictatorship follows the law in name, because they interpret it a certain way.

The only situation under which spirit of hte law is acceptable is when there is an external check on the government to prevent abuse, i.e. a large body of armed rebels capable of overthrowing said government.

The fact remains that in all but the most severe of cases, the letter of the law should be followed, because the "spirit" is meaningless when one agency becomes too powerful and is given the sole right of interpretation. Overinterpretation of the law is the primary cause of most transformations from free society to dictatorship.

No, but thousands of preventable deaths were

... And we caused thousands more deaths. Not to be cynical, but Hussein wasn't threatening us. We don't have an obligation to people in other countries.

And FDR was one of the most brilliant presidents to ever lead the country, in the opinion of many.

And Benito Mussolini made the trains run on time (especially those carrying Jews to concentration camps). In that sense, he was a pretty smart guy.

But like Roosevelt, he was evil.

Roosevelt invented the concept of Anti-Law which still holds today. Anti-law is essentially disregarding the letter of the law -- I.e. transforming a country into a state of martial law, in which case the Constitution is not merely bent but broken. http://www.constitution.org/mil/lawnanti.htm

Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." It goes on to say:

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the United States, actions taken by government in times of great crisis have ... in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of National emergency."...

"These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to normal constitutional process.

"Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

Even if one argues that Roosevelt was well-intentioned, which I would say that he was not, the fact remains that he led the path open for future abuses, such as those of Dubya, that are a MUCH greater threat than terrorism. After all, you don't live with terrorists every day.

There have been many incidences where the US Government has acted with more brutality than anything we discovered about Hussein, and all this can be traced ultimately to FDR. Take, for example, the Gordon Kahl murder in 1983, where a NONVIOLENT tax protestor's house was stormed by Federal Agents. He was repeatedly beaten with rifles, his limbs were cut off, and objects were thrusted into his anus before he was shot in the head. His wife recieved death threats.

Was FDR a brilliant guy, as you claim? Certainly. But he was an evil genius.

"It is better to tear some holes in the Constitution and fix them later, than to lose it altogether."
--Abe Lincoln

FDR forgot the "fixing them later" part of that justification.

Oh that explains it all. Bush must be Fascist...

Seeing how we're all so oppressed...

Read above. Many examples of governmental atrocities show that the United States is far from a free nation. A good indication of freedom is the incarceration rate -- at 0.7%, the United STates has the highest percent of people in prison of any country ... and over 2/3 are there for nonviolent offenses, mostly drugs.

This helps explain why the United Nations kicked us off the HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE -- because, in fact, the Federal Government has become oppressive by the standards of 1776, and even the standards of today.

They've made our country more secure from military attack than it has been in years, they've given you more money come New Year's (assuming you're a tax payer), and they've given us a strategic, economic-monopoly on the Middle East (oh yeah, it's so horrible and cruel, but it's business, and it's good for the economy, which seems to be the only thing my local liberal chums give a damn about).

I agree with tax cuts, but if our monopoly is really so good for the economy, explain why Oil Prices are going up so fast?

Monopolies are NEVER good for an economy -- that's an agreed upon economic fact by Neoclassicists, Keynesians, Game Theoriests, just about every school of thought.

Actually, I think Kerry's a lot uglier than Bush...

I agree

(and Bush went to Yale, by the way, a far cry from "stupid").

For someone like Bush, it was much easier to get into Yale in 1970 than it is today. There are many stupid people at the Ivies -- Athletes, Legacies, Affirmative Action Admits, etc.