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post Jul 1 2004, 08:04 PM
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is it fair that non-christians celebrate christmas with presents and christmas trees? i can't stand it when people openly say how they hate religion and christianity, then come christmas time, they brag about their christmas presents. that goes for easter too. people openly reject jesus christ's resurrection but they celebrate easter. and to add insult to injury, they completely change the meaning by having egghunts and bunnies.

-edit- uh yeah. you can't have it both ways! either become a christian and partake in our holidays, or stay an atheist/agnostic and don't celebrate our holidays, and don't change our holidays either!
 
 
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post Jul 18 2004, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(shawty_redd @ Jul 18 2004, 3:12 PM)
nope not saying that. if you aren't christian and then criticize christmas but then look forward to gifts and all then its being hypocritical and thats what we don't like. even though u aren't a christian you can still take part in christmas but then the other 364 days of the year don't be like "i hate god"..blah blah..(and the same for easter and such)

What's wrong with looking towards presents for the holidays? It's still a holiday because nationally, everyone celebrates it. Can we help it if we came to a culture that celebrate the winter holidays at the same time at the birth of Christ? I don't get why you all are so selfish about sharing a holiday. Dang.

Who would hate God?

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Christmas is not the nations holiday, it is religous. If it were an actual nations holiday they would recognixze it nationally as Christmas and we wouldn't get off for "winter holidays", but for in obseverance of Christ's birth.


Er, it's a cultural holiday. American celebrates a lot of holidays and if it is deem that everyone gets a vacation because no one in their right mind would want to go to work on days that they could get off, then what's the big deal about getting a few days off?

Because the post office doesn't work on Christmas, because most businesses are closed, because you can't even go to the movies on Christmas, why would we consider it a religious holiday? Because it's called so? Many people close their businesses because it is EXPECTED to be so, and why work when no one really wants to do anything in the cold?

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Um Christmas is not FOR prayer. Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth. The gifts part came in accordance with the three wise men giving Jesus gifts when he was born.


Just like we adopted the tradition of eating a turkey on Thanksgiving Day, we adopted the tradition of giving and sharing presents.

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And people could be damaging him, you don't know. and i would like it if you could atleast show respect for our God.


Imagine this, you're invited into a Hindu celebration (for whatever purpose). You're there to have fun right? Would you consider caring much about the their gods?

Me? Sure, I'd respectfully stay quite and out of their way but I'll not participate in their praying/chanting because I wouldn't know how, and because I don't believe in what they're doing.

Just like that, I would be as respectful to God on Christmas as I am on any other day of the year. But I'll still give and accept presents; I'll still sing carols for no religious purposes but for the fun of it; I'll still do what I do on holidays: relax and have fun.

What more do you expect?
 

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kryogenix   you can't have it both ways!   Jul 1 2004, 08:04 PM
JlIaTMK   wow kinda abrupt.... Christmas has become a nation...   Jul 2 2004, 07:06 PM
XaZnX07   wow you are really offended by this sorry you feel...   Jul 2 2004, 07:13 PM
Spirited Away   My family doesn't celebrate Christmas and we d...   Jul 2 2004, 08:53 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 2 2004, 8:53 PM)My ...   Jul 2 2004, 09:33 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 2 2004, 9:33 PM)Good fo...   Jul 2 2004, 09:42 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEBut you know what, Christmas is not so attach...   Jul 2 2004, 11:55 PM
ryfitaDF   so santa claus and the easter bunny have ANYTHING ...   Jul 3 2004, 12:18 AM
Rock_Lee   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 1 2004, 8:04 PM)is it f...   Jul 3 2004, 12:20 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEso santa claus and the easter bunny have ANYT...   Jul 3 2004, 12:21 AM
MyVermilionPlague   This is a rather difficult topic.. Christmas has ...   Jul 3 2004, 06:34 AM
kryogenix   I'm fine with the gift giving, santa claus and...   Jul 3 2004, 10:59 AM
onenonly101   Exactly. I hate when people twist holidays and try...   Jul 3 2004, 11:05 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 3 2004, 11:05 AM)Exac...   Jul 3 2004, 12:21 PM
MyVermilionPlague   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 3 2004, 10:59 AM)I...   Jul 3 2004, 01:08 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(InTheMudHole @ Jul 3 2004, 1:08 PM)Yeah...   Jul 3 2004, 01:10 PM
MyVermilionPlague   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 3 2004, 1:10 PM)Pff...   Jul 3 2004, 01:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(InTheMudHole @ Jul 3 2004, 1:38 PM)Just...   Jul 3 2004, 07:49 PM
ComradeRed   Christmas has a secular side too. THe way I see i...   Jul 3 2004, 09:23 PM
x hYpErRoSeY x   thatz definatley unfair n ur really upset bout thi...   Jul 3 2004, 09:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(x hYpErRoSeY x @ Jul 3 2004, 9:27 PM)th...   Jul 3 2004, 09:39 PM
MyVermilionPlague   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 3 2004, 7:49 PM)Sur...   Jul 3 2004, 10:11 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(InTheMudHole @ Jul 3 2004, 10:11 PM)Jee...   Jul 3 2004, 10:37 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEJeez. There's no reason for people to th...   Jul 3 2004, 10:38 PM
haejung012   it depends... some people belive that santa is ant...   Jul 5 2004, 12:36 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 10:38 PM)Th...   Jul 5 2004, 01:33 PM
ichiban   Hmm .. I'm a Christian and I celebrate Christm...   Jul 5 2004, 02:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ichiban @ Jul 5 2004, 2:27 PM)Hmm .. I...   Jul 5 2004, 02:28 PM
angel-roh   hmm i guess i understand u, james... heh i dont ce...   Jul 5 2004, 05:48 PM
i ami_am   i think basically every celebrates christmas and i...   Jul 5 2004, 08:36 PM
tainted_angel   I guess it's hypocritical, but I mean, what is...   Jul 5 2004, 08:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(tainted_angel @ Jul 5 2004, 8:40 PM)I g...   Jul 5 2004, 08:42 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEit depends... some people belive that santa i...   Jul 5 2004, 09:40 PM
rnrn897   ahem.. not many ppl know that christmas is actuall...   Jul 6 2004, 02:11 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rnrn897 @ Jul 6 2004, 2:11 PM)ahem.. no...   Jul 6 2004, 03:02 PM
abstracted   What's wrong with non-Christians celebrating C...   Jul 6 2004, 07:43 PM
poisonedxivy   i understand what you're saying and partly agr...   Jul 6 2004, 11:50 PM
OriskybusinessO   Well... my parents USED to be religous and do all ...   Jul 8 2004, 09:28 PM
redsoxbaby87   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 1 2004, 8:04 PM)is it f...   Jul 17 2004, 04:11 PM
tyedyefroggy   I was just wondering if you, personally, would rat...   Jul 17 2004, 04:39 PM
shawty_redd   QUOTE(tyedyefroggy @ Jul 17 2004, 3:39 PM) ...   Jul 18 2004, 03:12 PM
onenonly101   Christmas is not the nations holiday, it is religo...   Jul 18 2004, 04:47 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(shawty_redd @ Jul 18 2004, 3:12 PM)nope...   Jul 18 2004, 09:53 PM
sadolakced acid   to me, christmas is a time for caring, a time for ...   Jul 19 2004, 01:12 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEImagine this, you're invited into a Hindu...   Jul 19 2004, 02:13 PM
CrackedRearView   I'll bet the phrase "X-mas" really p...   Jul 19 2004, 05:19 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 19 2004, 2:13 PM)When...   Jul 19 2004, 06:27 PM
Sumiaki   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 12:21 AM)Di...   Jul 20 2004, 12:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(WunKraziePinoy @ Jul 20 2004, 12:27 PM)...   Jul 20 2004, 12:40 PM
sadolakced acid   see, holiday spirit. christmas isn't about ...   Jul 20 2004, 03:23 PM
J.K   mm well christmas was orginally a pagan holiday......   Jul 21 2004, 12:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Arimalka @ Jul 22 2004, 4:51 PM)Holiday...   Jul 22 2004, 04:57 PM
sadolakced acid   alright. i won't celebrate christmas. i won...   Jul 22 2004, 05:22 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 22 2004, 5:22 PM)...   Jul 22 2004, 07:14 PM
sadolakced acid   haha. but they can't celebrate christmas at a...   Jul 22 2004, 08:10 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 22 2004, 8:10 PM)...   Jul 22 2004, 09:21 PM
bibliomania   Christmas is now more like... national holiday now...   Jul 26 2004, 01:40 PM
jo3   QUOTEGeez, now I have to celebrate 'pine tree ...   Jul 26 2004, 04:00 PM
sadolakced acid   i know some people who's parents stopped with ...   Jul 31 2004, 12:21 PM
DaToNeViEtBoI916   im buddhists..we celebrate all holidays of ne reli...   Jul 31 2004, 03:56 PM
[i]LLMATiC   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 2 2004, 7:33 PM)Good fo...   Aug 5 2004, 01:37 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE([i)LLMATiC,Aug 5 2004, 1:37 PM] i knoe ...   Aug 5 2004, 01:43 PM
sadolakced acid   which makes most the world not good christains. ...   Aug 5 2004, 02:06 PM
DaToNeViEtBoI916   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 5 2004, 2:06 PM)w...   Aug 6 2004, 03:38 PM
SH0RTAYE   ... christmas ... so youre saying ... only CHRiSTi...   Aug 6 2004, 04:06 PM
sadolakced acid   no, we've proven that christians that think on...   Aug 6 2004, 04:08 PM
Ze world is a Mask   waht if jesus isnt real and never was heard? and...   Aug 6 2004, 05:34 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2004, 4:08 PM)n...   Aug 6 2004, 11:20 PM
sadolakced acid   yea, i know the christians stole a lot of pagan ho...   Aug 7 2004, 10:24 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 7 2004, 10:24 AM)...   Aug 7 2004, 12:41 PM
sadolakced acid   well, seeing as how it's nearing holidays, let...   Dec 8 2004, 11:03 PM
niez_cho   I guess it doesn't really matter if non-Christ...   Dec 9 2004, 12:04 AM
ComradeRed   http://www.chestnutcafe.com/cafe/X-Mas.html QUOTE...   Dec 9 2004, 07:18 AM
stryker76   i feel like this about Christmas. Yeah Christians ...   Dec 9 2004, 08:46 AM
xtrashx   wow... harsh... do you celebrate halloween? becaus...   Dec 9 2004, 08:53 AM
Jealousy   It does seems strange that everyone is given chris...   Dec 9 2004, 10:19 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(xtrashx @ Dec 9 2004, 8:53 AM)wow... ha...   Dec 9 2004, 04:49 PM
sadolakced acid   all saints day's eve is another stolen holiday...   Dec 9 2004, 07:02 PM
picaso_smile   I say if non-christian want to celebrate santa ins...   Dec 9 2004, 08:15 PM
sadolakced acid   it disrespectful to steal a holiday, call it your ...   Dec 9 2004, 08:24 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(picaso_smile @ Dec 9 2004, 8:15 PM)I sa...   Dec 9 2004, 09:29 PM
pandamonium   QUOTERead the whole thread, please? Christmas was...   Dec 9 2004, 09:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Dec 9 2004, 9:45 PM)She w...   Dec 9 2004, 10:35 PM
Heathasm   i dont take things so literally. i think of xmas a...   Dec 10 2004, 03:26 AM
picaso_smile   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 9 2004, 10:35 PM)Wh...   Dec 10 2004, 05:01 PM
sadolakced acid   christmas in american does not belong to christian...   Dec 10 2004, 05:15 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 9 2004, 9:29 PM)Chr...   Dec 10 2004, 05:16 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(picaso_smile @ Dec 10 2004, 5:01 PM)How...   Dec 10 2004, 05:21 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEReally, people at my school badmouth God and ...   Dec 10 2004, 05:25 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 10 2004, 5:25 PM)...   Dec 10 2004, 05:28 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEI don't think you're understanding wh...   Dec 10 2004, 05:32 PM
sammi rules you   i celebrate christmas, but we don't like, pray...   Dec 11 2004, 12:27 PM
Kriegsgefangene   I may not believe, really. I don't have a rel...   Dec 11 2004, 12:59 PM
xtrashx   QUOTEAs far as I believe, Jesus and God love EVERY...   Dec 12 2004, 12:57 AM
Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS   its funny...the first presents were the ones that ...   Dec 13 2004, 10:23 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS @ Dec 13 2004, 10:23 P...   Dec 13 2004, 10:37 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS @ Dec 13 2004, 9:23 PM...   Dec 13 2004, 10:41 PM
picaso_smile   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 13 2004, 10:41 PM...   Dec 14 2004, 06:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(picaso_smile @ Dec 14 2004, 6:01 PM)How...   Dec 14 2004, 11:59 PM
picaso_smile   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Dec 14 2004, 11:59 PM)U...   Dec 17 2004, 09:19 PM
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