Affirmative Action, i had to Options

[onenonly101]

Should Affirmative Action be outlawed?

I want to hear what others say before I comment

[ComradeRed]

No one can prove that it is Affirmative action that causes blacks to drop out. There are MANY factors that make people drop out.

I agree completely. I can't PROVE that AA makes blacks drop out.

By the same token, you can't PROVE that AA helps blacks. You can't PROVE that Deans are racist. You can't PROVE that there is gravity. You can't PROVE anything (except in Math), because there are always multiple factors.

I can, however, prove that AA is a MAJOR factor in black dropout rates beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence beign that when a single variable was removed in California (AA), black dropout rates fell substantially within one year.

But that doesn't mean that they were exceptionally over the minimum requirements.

Minimum requirements change based on application, as I have brought up earlier.

If the question was Affirmative action is a policy that helps only blacks and for meeting quotas. And most people said yes, they don't know what the policy is about.

Even if this holds true, it proves that most people regard affirmative action's primary result as helping blacks at the expense of other races, which they disagree. Moreover, it is undisputable that blacks are the primary beneficiaries of AA. You can argue that white women are, but that just simply isn't the case -- except at a few engineering schools, white women recieve affirmative action at almost no universities, and for good reason.

Special preference? Blacks weren't even allowed to go to the colleges. AA doesn't keep whites or any majority for going to college. Lots of black people hated whites for just being white.

Um... Brooker T Washington? WEB DuBois? George Washington Carver? Certianly, most blacks didn't go to college, but after like 1870, they were allowed to -- they were just held to a much higher standard which caused them to hate whites -- in the same way that whites are held to a much higher standard today, causing them to hate blacks even more...

How do you know that the people the KKK are helping are rednecks that hold no power?

Because most people in the KKK are rednecks. Who else are they helping?

Seeing as not alot of blacks are Harvard lawyers making 5K a year that they do deserve representation. And aa is to help any minority in any situation so the white boy on welfare would be a minority so he would be seeking representation.

No the "white boy on welfare" would not recieve help from Federal Affirmative Action. If AA is to help "any minority in any situation", then we would be back to a Feudal Society -- Barons, Earls, Dukes, and Kings are a minority too, after all. And a really small one at that. And also, according to a Cato Institute study, the two most underrepresented groups among law professors are Hispanics and Republicans -- so Republicans would get AA too under your definition.

Everyone is some sort of "minority" -- after all, the smallest minority on Earth is the individual. If AA is to help "any minority in any situation", then it would simply balance itself out, and either do nothing or just screw over the Average Joe.

I never said all white people were racist, i never even said most whites are racist. Whites do control the country, seeing as there are more whites in the country than any other race so then they would hold the positions of power. Whites are not underepresented if they hold 65% of the student body. Everyone else in the school is underrepresented compared to them

Um... no. If whites make up 70% of hte population, and make up 65% of the student body, they are definitionally underrepresented. If there were equal representation, whites would make up 70% of the student body, not 65%.

If people with purple hair make up 1% of the population, and 10% of a student body, they are overrepresented -- even though they are only a minority.

And how would you know that?

It's logical, isn't it? If we passed a law that said that black people have to score 400 points higher than white people to get into the same college, don't you think a lot of blacks would be angry at whites? The vice versa situation exists too.

They have not taken oppertunities for white women, because still women make 60 cents to a mans one dollar.

UN puts it at 73 cents, first of all, and second of all, this is mainly by choice -- many women choose not to work or to only work part time because of family, something that is traditionally ingrained in many women.

Also, you haven't addressed my attacks on your argument that the admissions process is racist. Is it fair to assume that you have dropped that argument? Remember, blacks are accepted to the most selective colleges at a rate of over three times higher than whites (50% to 15%), even though, on average, their SAT scores are 300 to 400 points lower, proving massive racism against whites.