Affirmative Action, i had to Options

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Should Affirmative Action be outlawed?

I want to hear what others say before I comment

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And what is this with people "hiding their racism"? HOW are they hiding their racism? How have you found it? Is it possible that you are just being venegeful and/or paranoid?

Trust me i am not being paranoid, you know when someone doens't like you because of your color. People hide their racism by saying they aren't racist but then they act differently towards because you are a different color, they talk down to you and do things as that. You know when someone doesn't liek you because of your race.

There are positive stereotypes about blacks as well, as really good athletes, etc. But those stereotypes are rarely held by people in positiosn to determine college admissions.

That is what i was saying the good things about black people are not going to be put in perspective like all the negative stereotypes.

Why is it FAIR that AA should help you at his expense. Moreover, most black students are harmed by AA. AA encourages black students to apply to schools where they will be academically isolated.This results in MASSIVE black dropout rates. In California before they ended AA, the black dropout rates at Berkeley and San Jose were both over 70%. After California ended AA, the dropout rates returned down to a healthy 10-15%. The reason? Black students who should have gone to San Jose were recruited to Berkeley, where they were put in classes that they were not academically prepared for. It is better to graduate from your second choice than to flunk out of your first choice.

You are saying that blacks aren't up to par with academics.

Berkeley has been able to diversify its freshman class and, at the same time, greatly strengthen the class academically. If we compare by quintile the freshman class of fall 1994 with that of fall 1984 on any academic measure, we find the fall 1994 freshman class stronger from top to bottom. Ninety-five percent of the students admitted to Berkeley meet or exceed minimum UC requirements, placing them among the top 12.5% of California's high school graduates. Following UC Regent guidelines, Berkeley has historically chosen from among the full range of the top 12.5%, which includes the overwhelming majority of all admitted minority students. The other 5% are admitted by exception because they are recruited athletes or because they have overcome remarkable hardship and have demonstrated the potential to succeed at Berkeley. This 5% includes students of every ethnicity and racial group.
It is important to note that Berkeley admits a number of white and Asian American applicants with lower grades and test scores than many African American and Hispanic students

Most minorities DO NOT fail because of it.
Berkeley's overall graduation rates have climbed steadily over the past 15 years and are the highest they have ever been. The campus' current overall six-year graduation rate of 80% is much higher than the six-year rate of 48% for the fresman class of 1955, at a time when the undergraduate student body was overwhelmingly white. Not only are the graduation rates for all students going up, but the rates for African American and Chicano students are going up faster than the rates for Asian and white students, so that the gap between different ethnicities continues to narrow.
In addition, Berkeley's one-year persistence rate is the highest it has ever been: 94% of the freshmen who entered in the fall 1992 returned for a second year.

"me and my kind" is EXACTLY the kind of racist thinking that got us into this mess. Why can't you treat people as INDIVIDUALS and not as blacks or whites or Asians or Hispanics? High black dropout rates and racial polarization may not harm all blacks, but it certainly harms a significant number.

How is what i said racist? Maybe i shouldn't have used the word kind, but people of different races ARE different. I don't need statistics and scientifical facts to tell me that. There are some things that just are, and that is one of them. Me saying that does not mean I don't treat people as individuals. black white asian hispanic whatever you are a person but it doesn't mwan you are different, and are more alike with people of the same race.

Unsubstantiated claim! You have presented NOTHING to refute my observations that blacks are NOT discriminated against by the deans of admission at top colleges, and in fact, are held to a much lower standard than whites.

Before AA did you see large amount of blacks being let into colleges by the dean of admissions?Until the mid-1960s legal barriers prevented blacks and other racial minorities in the United States from entering many jobs and educational institutions. Although women were rarely legally barred from jobs or education, many universities would not admit them and many employers would not hire them.

Yet if a "good school" declared itself all-white, everyone would instantly complain of racism.

IF the schools says they are in all white school, who cares. Like you said we have all black schools.

It is absolutely ridiculous to say that a rejection letter would hurt black kids, but not white kids.

and never did i say it wouldn't hurt white kids.


Somehow people think that by hiring under represented groups their jobs are being threatened, or they are giving minorities jobs are wrong.That is wrong because white men are still holding most of the position and minorities are still struggling to be hired in larger numbers

Until we truly have a color-blind society, however, people will always wonder whether women of color qualify for positions. Women of color often have to work harder just to get the respect that their white male colleagues enjoy as a birth right. The presumption favoring white males seems to be that they are qualified until they prove otherwise. With women of color, the presumption seems to be that they are unqualified until they prove otherwise.

it is wrong. they should just accept you because of your qualifications, not because they have to fill some.

Quotas, are illegal. What is permitted under current affirmative action instead are benchmarks, targets and goals.


How is it hurting the U.S.? When 95% of top corporate executives are white males?

Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination

the selection of unqualified candidates is not permitted under federal affirmative action guidelines and should not be equated with legal forms of affirmative action.