Affirmative Action, i had to Options

[onenonly101]

Should Affirmative Action be outlawed?

I want to hear what others say before I comment

[ComradeRed]

^I'm tired of hearing that I am not qualified for something. You want to complain how much AA is racist and you are being racist yoruself, so what does it matter.

Unsubstantiated claim. I'm not being racist at all. The fact is that many people--regardless of race--are not qualified for positions they want.

Nowhere do you prove I am being racist, nor have you presented any facts to even refute my argument that blacks are being held to a consistently lower standard by affirmative action.

It does help me overcome racial circumstances. You cannot say it doesn't because you are not black you have not faced what black people have faced. I actually hate when people say stuff like what i said but it is so true. Growing up black you have to face so many obstacles because people hate yo ufor being black and even worse they try to hide their racism which is to me worse than being blunt and saying that they hate black people.

Then I can make an equally valid argument that you don't know what it's like to be Asian, to be stereotyped as someone who always is a nerd, etc. Of course I have not faced what black people have faced, but you have not faced what white, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, etc. people have faced. And what is this with people "hiding their racism"? HOW are they hiding their racism? How have you found it? Is it possible that you are just being venegeful and/or paranoid?

Nobody can truly no the black mans struggle. Seriously. Ya'll are Asian and white you have stereotypes but ya'll stereotypes are positive. All asians are smart,white people have money. Then what do I get faced with? Black people are stupid,poor, and will  never amount to anything. All we do is live off of welfare and do drugs and have kids. I don't know but there was nothing positive about what people think of me.

Stereotypes are just that--stereotypes. It's ludicrous and just as stereotypical to says that "all people believe blacks are stupid" as it is to just come out and say "blacks are stupid". There are positive stereotypes about blacks as well, as really good athletes, etc. But those stereotypes are rarely held by people in positiosn to determine college admissions. Moreover, if college admissions officers believe those stereotypes, then WHITE people should get affirmative action. The reason is simple-- colleges are trying to break away from the "Ivy mold" of rich and privileged. If someone comes off as rich then colleges will reject them more often. You argue that whites are stereotyped as rich. Using your argument, I could therefore argue that whites face discrimination in admissions and should get affirmative action. But certainly, that isn't a reasonable proposition is it?

AA is a means of help to me. I have to work HARDER than the "average" white person just to be known. AA will help me get into places where they probably wouldn't allow me in even though i am a very smart and ambitous person.

A lot of "very smart and ambitious" people are rejected at top colleges. The definition of a selective college is that they select. Maybe there's a white person who is all-around a better student? Why is it FAIR that AA should help you at his expense. Moreover, most black students are harmed by AA. AA encourages black students to apply to schools where they will be academically isolated. This results in MASSIVE black dropout rates. In California before they ended AA, the black dropout rates at Berkeley and San Jose were both over 70%. After California ended AA, the dropout rates returned down to a healthy 10-15%. The reason? Black students who should have gone to San Jose were recruited to Berkeley, where they were put in classes that they were not academically prepared for. It is better to graduate from your second choice than to flunk out of your first choice.

People can say what they want to say about AA but in reality it does help. How can somebody who is not black who is not in the program tell me that it is hurting me and my kind. How would they know they didn't interview black students.

"me and my kind" is EXACTLY the kind of racist thinking that got us into this mess. Why can't you treat people as INDIVIDUALS and not as blacks or whites or Asians or Hispanics? High black dropout rates and racial polarization may not harm all blacks, but it certainly harms a significant number.

I would go to an all black school but i don't want to limit myself there are good black schools such as Spellmen, Xavier(in new orleans),Morehouse(a male college),Dillard, Howard and so on

Yet if a "good school" declared itself all-white, everyone would instantly complain of racism.

But without AA blacks would decline in apply to those white colleges because they already know that the dean of admissions would by pass them because they are black thinking that blacks can't do anything.

Unsubstantiated claim! You have presented NOTHING to refute my observations that blacks are NOT discriminated against by the deans of admission at top colleges, and in fact, are held to a much lower standard than whites. The fact that the average black student applies with an SAT score several hundred points lower than an average white student at Ivy League Universities and are accepted at three times higher the rates proves beyond all reasonable doubt that whites, not blacks, suffer from the most intense forms of discrimination in college admissions.

I'm tired of that. People who are not involved in the AA program can say what they want and can say it is hurting me, when all actuality they don't even know what it is about.

One-sided emotive plea. Comparable to Bin Laden saying "People who are not involed in terrorism can say what they want and can say it is hurting me, when all actuality they don't know what it is about." Even if it IS helping you the fact remains that it is hurting US unfairly. It is absolutely ridiculous to say that a rejection letter would hurt black kids, but not white kids. It is absolutely racist to say that black kids deserve special help--or even to group kids into "black" and "white" or other artificial race groups instead of treating them like the unique individuals that they deserved to be treated as.