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Why Bush is a horrible president, And why the war is pointless
XxNenAxX
post Jul 9 2004, 05:00 PM
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...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.
 
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 01:21 AM
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Oh wow -- that was probably one of the most skewed arguments I've ver heard.

For one, you provided no support for anything, and additionally, a lot of the points were flawed...

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point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.


"Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL"

Oh really? So, in essence, you're claming that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have absolutely no connection with each other?

1.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...2/06/nirq06.xml

^ Tony Blair, prime minister of Great Britain claims "definite links" between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

2.)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html

Al Qaeda trained terrorist fighting on the side of the Iraqis.

3.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...03/378fmxyz.asp

Government memo detailing the connection.

4.)

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNe...205_krekar.html

Radical Al Qaeda groups against Iraq...

5.)

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

Further proof...

"Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO."

Oh yeah? Did you know bin Laden hasn't been associated with Saudi Arabia since 1979 when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan?

"Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy"

Hmm...it couldn't have to do with the fact that bin Laden is wanted in most parts of Saudi Arabia. And I'm sure the fact that there's more oil under Gull Island, AK than all of Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with our actions.

I mean, honestly, we're smart about our economic choices. You strain the other country's resources, use them up, and then tap into your own.

"and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence"

That's only half a fact. It'd be fact if you rephrased it to say "the bin Laden" family, because Bush's ties were limited to Osama's eldest brother Salem (once the head of the bin Laden fortune). Salem bin Laden and Bush were early business partners together starting up the Arbusto Oil Co.

Any connection Bush had with the bin Laden family abruptly ended in '88 when Salem bin Laden died in a freak plane accident.

Since, Osama has had zero tie to the president.

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point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.


We're killing the ones that are radically resisting us. I'd say we've done a hell of a job, seeing how infrastructure like hospitals, schools, post offices, and banks aren't being blown up daily for political support anymore.

Saddam would destroy a hospital and blame it on the Kurds to gain the support of his people...

We've rid the country of him, and you say we're not liberating?

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point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.


Fact is, they knew what we were going to do prior to doing it. We didn't.

That's the fine line between war and terrorism.

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point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.


Oh, is that "how they live"? Wrong. They've only "lived" like that since 1968 when Al-Bakr overthrew Abdul Rahman Arif and reestablished the Baath Party.

When the Arif's were in the presidency, there was even a cease-fire peace with the Kurds, which was basically unheard of.

And what's the different way you combat covert, underground violence?

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point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)


Actually, he has the lowest I.Q. of any president in the last 50 years, Theodore Roosevelt's IQ was 90. GW's is 91.

Do you not understand that war is the reason this country exists?

What kind of work did he only do 45% of, and where are you coming up with your numbers?

Oh, and when he was at that school -- what did you expect him to do? Panic, and send the entire class into an uproar? Put on his superman cape and fly to the scene?

I didn't stop my exam and run to the T.V...

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Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11.


It's also completely biased, Michael Moore garbage.

I don't know how some people take him seriously...
 

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bibliomania   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 22 2004, 8:12 PM)...   Jul 23 2004, 03:58 PM
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sadolakced acid   honestly, i think bush will do a better job of get...   Jul 23 2004, 06:27 PM
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