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Affirmative Action, i had to |
May 16 2004, 05:40 PM
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Should Affirmative Action be outlawed?
I want to hear what others say before I comment |
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Jul 8 2004, 07:24 PM
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1) It doesn't help people overcome racist circumstances, it is racist in and of itself. I have done a lot of research into college admissions processes -- and the ONLY evidence of racism is affirmative action, demonstrated by the fact that, on average, a black student matriculating at a top-tier school has an SAT score of 300 to 400 points lower than white counterparts being accepted, in addition to lower grades and overall lower standards. I don't know about you, but adding 400 points to my SAT score would put me at a 1990 -- enough to get me anywhere. But unfortunately, I'm not black or Hispanic. In my Ivy League Insider Guide that I got here, it admits that race is a VERY IMPORTANT factor in the admissions process -- acceptance rates for black students at Dartmouth is 50% and for Hispanics it is about 35%, whereas it is only 15% for whites and Asians. Add to that the fact that the average black student applying is less qualified than the average white student, and it is a clear implication that the admissions process is heavily skewed in favor of black students (THREE times a greater percentage admitted) -- due to affirmative action. The ONLY racist admissions councils are in places like Bob Jones University (www.bju.edu) that no black person would ever want to go to anyway, considering that they teach you to hate black people.
2) Women now make up 60% of all new college graduates. There are no longer any reputable all-male schools, but reputable all-female schools like Wellesley continue to thrive, in large part due to government support that would never exist at an all-male school. If there's any sexism in the process, it's against males. 3) When you are handicapped, it lowers your merit. As harsh as this may sound, if you're handicapped it does, in fact, harm your merit and thus giving the handicapped affirmative action is directly destroying the concept of meritocracy. If someone is handicapped, for example, by being mentally retarded, he should not be going to an Ivy League school -- affirmaive action or not. Similarly, if someone is blind, he should probably not be a firefighter. Et cetera. It might not be fair, but people are fundamentally different. The world isn't fair. It is ludicrous to expect handicapped people, on average, to achieve the same results that fit people would. I know it's not their fault, but people with low IQs -- it's not their fault either. No one is suggesting we give low-IQ affirmative action. "Handicap" affirmative action would involve transforming us into a communist society with an overbearing government that allows no room for the individual to thrive. |
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onenonly101 Affirmative Action May 16 2004, 05:40 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 16 2004, 5:40 PM)Shou... May 16 2004, 05:59 PM
kryogenix bah, affirmative action isn't fair. people sho... May 16 2004, 08:24 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 16 2004, 8:24 PM)bah, a... May 17 2004, 09:54 AM
dasturbd getting hired/accepted because of the color of you... May 17 2004, 10:24 AM
Kathleen Yeah, as others have said before me - it's rev... May 17 2004, 02:08 PM
onenonly101 But what if they were denied the job because they ... Jun 9 2004, 10:29 PM
ComradeRed *Ahem*
First, if your goal was to make sure that ... Jun 10 2004, 11:52 AM
onenonly101 QUOTESecond, my right to free association trumps y... Jun 10 2004, 01:47 PM
ComradeRed But it applies to unviersities as well. If I run a... Jun 10 2004, 02:12 PM
ryfitaDF my reasons i won't be able to get in agood col... Jun 10 2004, 07:15 PM
IIO__oII QUOTEmy reasons i won't be able to get in agoo... Jun 13 2004, 06:07 PM
synkro so then we all agree that:
- a person should be hi... Jun 14 2004, 05:26 AM
sadolakced acid affirmitave action is discrimination for certain m... Jun 15 2004, 02:30 PM
onenonly101 it is not discrimination. Job discrimination is gr... Jun 15 2004, 03:44 PM
sadolakced acid oh , so treating on race better isn't racism. ... Jun 15 2004, 04:37 PM
JlIaTMK QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2004, 4:37 PM)... Jun 16 2004, 09:17 PM
onenonly101 QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2004, 4:37 PM)... Jun 17 2004, 06:58 AM
sadolakced acid they don't say it. they treat asians and whit... Jun 17 2004, 02:21 PM
onenonly101 it is not legalized racism affirmative action. The... Jun 17 2004, 06:41 PM
onenonly101 You also presented many MYTHS about Affirmative Ac... Jun 17 2004, 07:39 PM
Mini QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 17 2004, 2:21 PM)... Jun 17 2004, 09:09 PM
juliar QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 17 2004, 10:09 PM)i totally ... Jun 17 2004, 09:51 PM
sadolakced acid no, he is being sarcastic and pointing out a few f... Jun 18 2004, 12:22 PM
sadolakced acid i like your definition of racism. very political.... Jun 18 2004, 12:28 PM
onenonly101 Affirmative Action helps Asians.Asians benefit in ... Jun 18 2004, 02:47 PM
sadolakced acid DO I HAVE TO SCREAM IT?!?! AFFIRMATIVE AC... Jun 18 2004, 03:12 PM
onenonly101 do i have to scream AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS NOT DISC... Jun 18 2004, 03:33 PM
Spirited Away <-- Agree that Affirmative Action is helpful to... Jun 19 2004, 04:39 PM
ComradeRed QUOTEAffirmative Action helps Asians.Asians benefi... Jun 20 2004, 08:40 PM
sadolakced acid we don't need affirmative action. we need som... Jun 21 2004, 01:41 PM
ComradeRed We need to follow the Constitution... The Fourteen... Jun 21 2004, 08:20 PM
onenonly101 .... Jun 22 2004, 10:03 AM
ComradeRed The Constitution is a lot like wearing your seat b... Jun 24 2004, 09:25 AM
xquizit QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 18 2004, 2:47 PM)Ok I... Jun 24 2004, 10:11 AM
ComradeRed Do you have any PROOF that racism exists in public... Jun 24 2004, 10:21 AM
bigpoppaproppy affirmitive action is bullshit
how can you cure r... Jun 30 2004, 07:35 AM
sadolakced acid nice. Jul 6 2004, 01:47 PM
rnrn897 hm.. i read the replies but im still a bit unsure ... Jul 6 2004, 01:59 PM
onenonly101 QUOTE(bigpoppaproppy @ Jun 30 2004, 7:35 AM)a... Jul 6 2004, 03:27 PM
ComradeRed Why not?
Racism, by definition, is valuing race a... Jul 6 2004, 03:30 PM
bigpoppaproppy QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 6 2004, 3:27 PM)and y... Jul 6 2004, 05:40 PM
sadolakced acid AA if quite racist. it uses to race to determine ... Jul 7 2004, 10:08 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEAA if quite racist. it uses to race to determ... Jul 7 2004, 10:10 AM
sadolakced acid they're not going to get rid of it, even after... Jul 7 2004, 10:12 AM
ComradeRed Because it's totally sleazy. You can, if you w... Jul 7 2004, 05:36 PM
sadolakced acid and so it shows.
everyone agrees it would be wr... Jul 7 2004, 06:00 PM
onenonly101 ^ you are a big hypocrite, if you are against it d... Jul 8 2004, 01:59 PM
bigpoppaproppy racˇism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
... Jul 8 2004, 02:39 PM
onenonly101 No not if i do not beleive it is discriminatory. a... Jul 8 2004, 02:40 PM
sadolakced acid if i were to deny you a job because of your race, ... Jul 8 2004, 02:48 PM
bigpoppaproppy QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 8 2004, 2:40 PM)No no... Jul 8 2004, 03:14 PM
onenonly101 since you are using the word based. Afirmative Act... Jul 8 2004, 03:21 PM
ComradeRed Then it's also sexist, etc. Your argument is l... Jul 8 2004, 03:40 PM
Sumiaki Humans naturally like to classify things. Whether ... Jul 8 2004, 03:46 PM
ComradeRed Thanks to protests and some civil disobedience in ... Jul 8 2004, 03:49 PM
bigpoppaproppy QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 3:40 PM)Then i... Jul 8 2004, 03:50 PM
onenonly101 QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 3:40 PM)Then i... Jul 8 2004, 04:23 PM
bigpoppaproppy go red Jul 8 2004, 07:38 PM
Sumiaki QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 7:24 PM)1) It ... Jul 8 2004, 10:09 PM
EmeraldKnight Minda.. you're too good, you shouldnt be allow... Jul 9 2004, 12:58 AM
ComradeRed Haha, thanks :). Jul 9 2004, 11:54 AM
sadolakced acid our society has become so fearful of being accused... Jul 9 2004, 02:54 PM
onenonly101 ^I'm tired of hearing that I am not qualified ... Jul 10 2004, 10:47 AM
redsoxbaby87 it is wrong. they should just accept you because o... Jul 10 2004, 01:35 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 10 2004, 10:47 AM)Ser... Jul 10 2004, 03:55 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE^I'm tired of hearing that I am not quali... Jul 10 2004, 04:47 PM
Sumiaki You're too good at debating. lol. Never in my ... Jul 10 2004, 05:37 PM
onenonly101 QUOTEUnsubstantiated claim. I'm not being raci... Jul 10 2004, 07:50 PM
onenonly101 QUOTEAnd what is this with people "hiding the... Jul 10 2004, 08:29 PM
ComradeRed
And what makes you think this only happens to bl... Jul 10 2004, 09:32 PM
onenonly101
I never said it only happened to blacks. All I s... Jul 11 2004, 02:31 PM
ComradeRed
Then why does that justify AA if people hide rac... Jul 11 2004, 04:01 PM
onenonly101 First why do you only bring up Ivy league, never d... Jul 11 2004, 09:30 PM
sadolakced acid no, but you did say it was effective in the ivy le... Jul 11 2004, 09:53 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 11 2004, 9:30 PM)Firs... Jul 12 2004, 12:17 PM
onenonly101 acid- i never said anything about ivy league. I ha... Jul 12 2004, 12:42 PM
xxcrazynutmeg what's affirmative action? yeah i know, i... Jul 12 2004, 01:01 PM
JlIaTMK QUOTE(xxcrazynutmeg @ Jul 12 2004, 1:01 PM)wh... Jul 12 2004, 01:35 PM
ComradeRed QUOTENo one can prove that it is Affirmative actio... Jul 12 2004, 01:48 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTEFirst why do you only bring up Ivy league, ne... Jul 12 2004, 01:55 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 17 2004, 7:39 PM)You ... Jul 12 2004, 01:57 PM
ComradeRed As for exploiting the system, I am going to do the... Jul 12 2004, 02:14 PM
onenonly101 QUOTEMYTH: The ACLU is a fair and balanced source ... Jul 13 2004, 10:37 AM
ComradeRed Then you should cite the source. It's called a... Jul 13 2004, 11:48 AM
onenonly101 corruption, where?
QUOTEnote the 'only effect... Jul 13 2004, 04:51 PM
ComradeRed Well if you define working as "raising minori... Jul 13 2004, 07:46 PM
sadolakced acid alright, so the stats say that minorities are drop... Aug 1 2004, 09:05 PM
sadolakced acid and, in an instance i agree with bush.
however ... Aug 8 2004, 06:25 PM
xquizit - whooops posted in wrong thread -
*blushes in em... Aug 12 2004, 11:05 AM
sikdragon shools, businesses, or any other organization shou... Aug 14 2004, 06:20 AM
monde libre hey kids. having read the entire thread (except fo... Nov 15 2004, 01:40 PM
tweeak QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 16 2004, 8:24 PM)bah, a... Nov 15 2004, 04:57 PM
monde libre oh, come on you guys.
i typed up all those questio... Nov 16 2004, 01:22 PM
tweeak i did! i answered at the very least 2... Nov 16 2004, 04:59 PM
ComradeRed QUOTEA) do you propose any alternatives to affirma... Nov 16 2004, 07:07 PM
monde libre whoops. wrong quote.
mais merci beaucoup, minda. Nov 17 2004, 07:44 PM![]() ![]() |