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Draft or Prison?
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strice
post May 20 2004, 11:38 PM
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If i'm drafted i'm going to prison. f*ck the war, i'm not going to kill anybody for oil.

"war is old men talking and young men dying."
 
 
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ComradeRed
post Jul 3 2004, 11:09 PM
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Yes.

QUOTE("The Constitution Society")
The establishment of the U.S. Constitution in 1789 and its Bill of Rights in 1791 was a fundamental innovation in jurisprudence. It introduced the first constitutional republic, with a written constitution that superseded the Common Law that preceded it, while incorporating that part of the Common Law not in conflict with it, and provided that all subsequent statutory law and official acts must be based on its provisions and not in conflict with it. Any statute or official act not so based, or in such conflict with it, was to be considered unconstitutional, and null and void from inception.

Unfortunately, despite the nominal commitment to compliance with the Constitution, legislators and officials have failed to comply with it in many instances. Most of these instances were justified as necessary to deal with perceived crises, especially war and depression. Some of these instances include the Dick Act of 1903 and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. But perhaps the most important was the Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, and particularly its amendment to the Trading with the Enemy Act of October 6, 1917, and its ratification of such executive orders as the Proclamation 2040 by President Roosevelt issued on March 6, 1933, sometimes called the Emergency and War Powers order. This act, codified as 12 USC 95(b), effectively declared the Constitution suspended and conferred dictatorial powers on the President, a situation which continues to this day.

Following this there was a long train of unconstitutional legislation and executive orders, made possible by intimidation of the federal courts. Although some reference to provisions of the Constitution was made to justify them, especially an expanded interpretation of "interstate commerce", it is argued that what was really done was suspension of the Constitution as the "Supreme Law of the Land" and the extension of the "Law of the Sea" over the land, making all federal courts admiralty courts, under the executive authority of the President. The "Law of the Sea" is a branch of Common Law under which the President and admiralty courts exercise essentially dictatorial powers, akin to martial law.

Under this assumed authority, the U.S. Congress, the President, and the federal courts have extended their powers and jurisdiction far beyond the limits imposed on them under the Constitution, in violation of the 10th Amendment.

Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." It goes on to say:

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the United States, actions taken by government in times of great crisis have ... in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of National emergency."...

"These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to normal constitutional process.

"Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

The problem, of course, is that the Constitution does not provide for its own suspension, under some Rule of Necessity, only for temporary suspension of the right of habeas corpus, nor does Congress have such emergency and war powers or the power to delegate them to the President. Such a doctrine of "emergency rule" is a legalistic façade, perhaps providing a defense against summary judgement by a lawful court, but not providing true legal authority. The Constitution is not just the Supreme Law of the Land, but of all operations of the institutions it establishes, as agents of the People, including those at sea and those involving the laws of nations, forbidding them to exercise any powers not specifically delegated to them, in any field of action.

A difficulty for this regime is that the vast majority of people in and out of government are unaware of such emergency rule. As far as they are concerned, the Constitution is still in full force and effect. Many of them continue to take an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Some of them are aware of their role as militiamen, as defenders of the State and its Constitution, with a duty to not only obey the Constitution and constitutional laws, but to do what they can to enforce them as well, singly or in concert with one another.


This is the first third of the article: about the COG: http://www.constitution.org/mil/lawnanti.htm
 

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strice   Draft or Prison?   May 20 2004, 11:38 PM
EmeraldKnight   Whats the prison sentence for refusing a draft?   May 20 2004, 11:45 PM
strice   2-3 years, normally.   May 20 2004, 11:52 PM
EmeraldKnight   Hm.. maybe I'd go and study abroad.. like at O...   May 20 2004, 11:53 PM
strice   vote you bastards! unfortunately we can...   May 21 2004, 12:03 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEvote you bastards!  that kind of lan...   May 21 2004, 12:06 AM
strice   according to my friend whose father is a lawyer sa...   May 21 2004, 12:09 AM
EmeraldKnight   blech i'm not caught up on politics at all.....   May 21 2004, 12:10 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(strice @ May 20 2004, 11:38 PM)If i...   May 21 2004, 05:50 AM
stryker76   IF i was drafted i would go...but after Nam..the d...   May 21 2004, 05:55 AM
tkproduce   No way am I going to war.   May 21 2004, 05:55 AM
TBoltzbabe   if my boyfriend got drafted i'd cry and i woul...   May 21 2004, 07:44 AM
WildGriffin   I'm against war and all that, but if you live ...   May 21 2004, 11:16 AM
immersion31   i would go to war   May 21 2004, 12:37 PM
cornflakes   Since the 80s they have not sent a person to priso...   May 21 2004, 01:01 PM
Kathleen   I would definitely fight for my country...I've...   May 21 2004, 04:22 PM
onenonly101   You sure would NOT see me fighting. I would be in ...   May 21 2004, 06:03 PM
stryker76   I find it interestin that although many people are...   May 21 2004, 07:13 PM
strice   heres the article. and if i really had to join the...   May 21 2004, 07:19 PM
angel-roh   QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 21 2004, 2:22 PM)I would...   May 22 2004, 06:47 AM
craziplaya21   neither, ill go 2 canada   May 22 2004, 11:17 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(strice @ May 20 2004, 11:38 PM)If i...   May 22 2004, 04:19 PM
EmeraldKnight   Thank you Minda   May 22 2004, 04:20 PM
ComradeRed   I read an article in the Congress Digest on the Dr...   May 22 2004, 04:34 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEI read an article in the Congress Digest on t...   May 22 2004, 04:36 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:36 PM)Da...   May 22 2004, 04:40 PM
EmeraldKnight   Wow.. you're like a political encyclopedia we...   May 22 2004, 04:44 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:44 PM)Wo...   May 22 2004, 08:20 PM
WildGriffin   QUOTEDanke. What is it with you and german?   May 22 2004, 09:45 PM
EmeraldKnight   German's funny Mark Twain convinced me   May 22 2004, 09:49 PM
machinoman   i would go to the draft. i wouldnt like it though....   May 22 2004, 10:37 PM
ryfitaDF   i'm not dying for the government. this war is ...   May 23 2004, 02:41 AM
flyin_HAWAiiAN   do girls get drafted too? if so i would go to war...   May 23 2004, 03:03 AM
strice   yes, the girls can get drafted too.   May 23 2004, 03:06 AM
machinoman   no   May 23 2004, 12:28 PM
strice   QUOTEto provide for the common defense by requirin...   May 23 2004, 02:28 PM
stryker76   "War is Old Men Lyin and Young Men Dyin"   May 23 2004, 02:32 PM
ComradeRed   In draft news, recently has been the first time a ...   May 23 2004, 02:35 PM
Kathleen   That's too bad I'm not eighteen yet.   May 23 2004, 03:10 PM
PinoyOtaku   Draft, would straighten things up while knowing th...   May 23 2004, 03:16 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(PinoyOtaku @ May 23 2004, 3:16 PM)Draft...   May 23 2004, 03:18 PM
Kathleen   Eh you're quite resistant, aren't you, Min...   May 23 2004, 03:24 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEEh you're quite resistant, aren't you...   May 23 2004, 03:45 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 23 2004, 3:45 PM)Bu...   May 23 2004, 04:37 PM
Mr. Psychotic   i would go fight for this country even though some...   Jun 6 2004, 04:44 PM
ComradeRed   I would bury you.   Jun 6 2004, 05:01 PM
Mr. Psychotic   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 6 2004, 5:01 PM)I woul...   Jun 6 2004, 05:03 PM
ComradeRed   Haha, it's a reference to: "We will bury...   Jun 6 2004, 05:05 PM
Yemmerz   I'd go into draft, to protect the ones I love ...   Jun 7 2004, 03:46 PM
ComradeRed   If you get drafted, you don't have teh choice ...   Jun 7 2004, 03:50 PM
Viggen   Forgot one more option: Relocate to Canada.   Jun 7 2004, 03:51 PM
Yemmerz   you cant do that anymore. it's illegal.   Jun 7 2004, 04:01 PM
ComradeRed   It was always illegal... But if you're in ano...   Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM
sadolakced acid   if draft everyone, i will go. it they leave out t...   Jun 17 2004, 02:38 PM
juliar   I'm a woman. I wouldnt be drafted. But if I we...   Jun 17 2004, 09:53 PM
CrimsonArchangel   Being a girl, I really don't think I have a sa...   Jun 17 2004, 10:00 PM
DavidxN   lol you'd actually choose prison over the draf...   Jun 18 2004, 01:08 AM
strice   i refuse the draft because i want nothing to do wi...   Jun 18 2004, 02:37 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(DavidxN @ Jun 18 2004, 1:08 AM)it sucks...   Jun 18 2004, 08:16 AM
Yemmerz   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 17 2004, 3:38 PM)...   Jun 18 2004, 08:30 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 18 2004, 8:30 AM)Of cours...   Jun 18 2004, 10:16 AM
hybrid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 18 2004, 11:16 AM)then ...   Jun 18 2004, 10:33 AM
sadolakced acid   why prision? i like in the US. there is very lit...   Jun 18 2004, 12:38 PM
JlIaTMK   yea id definetly go to prison.... i wouldnt be abl...   Jun 18 2004, 08:58 PM
bigpoppaproppy   drafted for iraq? id tell the president where he ...   Jul 2 2004, 02:37 AM
ComradeRed   I'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow the g...   Jul 2 2004, 11:36 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEI'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow ...   Jul 2 2004, 11:35 PM
ComradeRed   1) During Vietnam, most soldiers were volunteers. ...   Jul 3 2004, 09:44 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEIf Bush were stupid enough to reinstate the d...   Jul 3 2004, 10:30 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 10:30 PM)Bu...   Jul 3 2004, 10:33 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEa) Bush isn't going to win anyway, for re...   Jul 3 2004, 10:45 PM
ComradeRed   Kerry supports "Mandatory National Service...   Jul 3 2004, 10:47 PM
EmeraldKnight   Bleh.. neither political candidate seems favorable...   Jul 3 2004, 10:53 PM
ComradeRed   I support John Kerry, BECAUSE the Republicans will...   Jul 3 2004, 10:59 PM
EmeraldKnight   Wow.. a lot of info there... QUOTEThe COG comes i...   Jul 3 2004, 11:06 PM
ComradeRed   Yes. QUOTE("The Constitution Society")T...   Jul 3 2004, 11:09 PM
EmeraldKnight   Wow... I'll get around to reading that.. somed...   Jul 3 2004, 11:11 PM
ComradeRed   Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said ...   Jul 3 2004, 11:12 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTE"Under the powers delegated by these sta...   Jul 4 2004, 01:19 AM
ComradeRed   Of course it is. And since the War on Drugs and th...   Jul 4 2004, 10:10 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEOf course it is. And since the War on Drugs a...   Jul 4 2004, 09:28 PM
ComradeRed   Yes... that's why he could invade Iraq first, ...   Jul 4 2004, 11:27 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEYes... that's why he could invade Iraq fi...   Jul 4 2004, 11:47 PM
ComradeRed   They don't exist any more. We can see some of ...   Jul 4 2004, 11:49 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEThey don't exist any more. We can see som...   Jul 4 2004, 11:54 PM
ComradeRed   The right thing to do, in my opinion, would be to ...   Jul 5 2004, 05:30 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEThe right thing to do, in my opinion, would b...   Jul 5 2004, 09:27 PM
aud_chua   i'd rather go to prison.. at least they feed y...   Aug 2 2004, 02:18 PM
ComradeRed   Uh... they feed you in the army too... And yes, yo...   Aug 2 2004, 02:20 PM
Dar|<   I would kill for free....There is never any real c...   Aug 2 2004, 02:22 PM
sadolakced acid   killing innocents? that's what you'd be...   Aug 2 2004, 04:05 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEkilling innocents? that's what you...   Aug 2 2004, 04:43 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Aug 2 2004, 4:43 PM)Whe...   Aug 2 2004, 05:17 PM
sadolakced acid   unless that serial killer looked at you wrong. th...   Aug 2 2004, 08:55 PM


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