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May 20 2004, 11:38 PM
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If i'm drafted i'm going to prison. f*ck the war, i'm not going to kill anybody for oil.
"war is old men talking and young men dying." |
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Jul 3 2004, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE If Bush were stupid enough to reinstate the draft between now and November, Kerry would win pretty much every state in the country, just like Nixon did in 1972. But what if he does so after the election if he is (and I realli hope not..) reelected? QUOTE Moreover, it is a military fact that the draft will harm a modern army, not help it. This is why Donald Rumsfeld and the Department of Defense STRONGLY oppose the draft. A draft would cause serious morale and logistical problems, and would create simply a mass of unmotivated soldiers. A drafted army would stand no chance against even a weak volunteer force in this day and age. America lost the Vietnam War in large part due to the fact that drafted soldiers did not want to be there. There were incidences of drafted soldiers shooting their own officers, faking injuries, etc. The massive discipline and morale problems, coupled with the sheer logistical difficulty of maintaining a large army in foreign territory with gurellias, meant that the Vietnam War was totally unwinnable. Modern war means small battles using high-tech forces. It is the wrong strategy altogether to rush in a bunch of conscripts. We would quickly lose military supremacy, and with it, political infleunce. I totally agree with you on the modern warfare part, hi tech forces would require a lot of training.. training that drafted personnel would either be reluctant to go through, or would have trouble learning QUOTE Furthermore, remember that a draft will only cause more violence: EVERY time the United States has drafted people during a war, there have been riots and hundreds of civilians have died. Exactly.. hm.. so if there were a draft, I would expect you to be at the head of the riot? |
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strice Draft or Prison? May 20 2004, 11:38 PM
EmeraldKnight Whats the prison sentence for refusing a draft? May 20 2004, 11:45 PM
strice 2-3 years, normally. May 20 2004, 11:52 PM
EmeraldKnight Hm.. maybe I'd go and study abroad.. like at O... May 20 2004, 11:53 PM
strice vote you bastards!
unfortunately we can... May 21 2004, 12:03 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEvote you bastards!
that kind of lan... May 21 2004, 12:06 AM
strice according to my friend whose father is a lawyer sa... May 21 2004, 12:09 AM
EmeraldKnight blech
i'm not caught up on politics at all..... May 21 2004, 12:10 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(strice @ May 20 2004, 11:38 PM)If i... May 21 2004, 05:50 AM
stryker76 IF i was drafted i would go...but after Nam..the d... May 21 2004, 05:55 AM
tkproduce No way am I going to war. May 21 2004, 05:55 AM
TBoltzbabe if my boyfriend got drafted i'd cry and i woul... May 21 2004, 07:44 AM
WildGriffin I'm against war and all that, but if you live ... May 21 2004, 11:16 AM
immersion31 i would go to war May 21 2004, 12:37 PM
cornflakes Since the 80s they have not sent a person to priso... May 21 2004, 01:01 PM
Kathleen I would definitely fight for my country...I've... May 21 2004, 04:22 PM
onenonly101 You sure would NOT see me fighting. I would be in ... May 21 2004, 06:03 PM
stryker76 I find it interestin that although many people are... May 21 2004, 07:13 PM
strice heres the article. and if i really had to join the... May 21 2004, 07:19 PM
angel-roh QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 21 2004, 2:22 PM)I would... May 22 2004, 06:47 AM
craziplaya21 neither, ill go 2 canada May 22 2004, 11:17 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(strice @ May 20 2004, 11:38 PM)If i... May 22 2004, 04:19 PM
EmeraldKnight Thank you Minda May 22 2004, 04:20 PM
ComradeRed I read an article in the Congress Digest on the Dr... May 22 2004, 04:34 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEI read an article in the Congress Digest on t... May 22 2004, 04:36 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:36 PM)Da... May 22 2004, 04:40 PM
EmeraldKnight Wow.. you're like a political encyclopedia we... May 22 2004, 04:44 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:44 PM)Wo... May 22 2004, 08:20 PM
WildGriffin QUOTEDanke.
What is it with you and german? May 22 2004, 09:45 PM
EmeraldKnight German's funny Mark Twain convinced me May 22 2004, 09:49 PM
machinoman i would go to the draft. i wouldnt like it though.... May 22 2004, 10:37 PM
ryfitaDF i'm not dying for the government. this war is ... May 23 2004, 02:41 AM
flyin_HAWAiiAN do girls get drafted too?
if so i would go to war... May 23 2004, 03:03 AM
strice yes, the girls can get drafted too. May 23 2004, 03:06 AM
machinoman no May 23 2004, 12:28 PM
strice QUOTEto provide for the common defense by requirin... May 23 2004, 02:28 PM
stryker76 "War is Old Men Lyin and Young Men Dyin" May 23 2004, 02:32 PM
ComradeRed In draft news, recently has been the first time a ... May 23 2004, 02:35 PM
Kathleen That's too bad I'm not eighteen yet. May 23 2004, 03:10 PM
PinoyOtaku Draft, would straighten things up while knowing th... May 23 2004, 03:16 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(PinoyOtaku @ May 23 2004, 3:16 PM)Draft... May 23 2004, 03:18 PM
Kathleen Eh you're quite resistant, aren't you, Min... May 23 2004, 03:24 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEEh you're quite resistant, aren't you... May 23 2004, 03:45 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 23 2004, 3:45 PM)Bu... May 23 2004, 04:37 PM
Mr. Psychotic i would go fight for this country even though some... Jun 6 2004, 04:44 PM
ComradeRed I would bury you. Jun 6 2004, 05:01 PM
Mr. Psychotic QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 6 2004, 5:01 PM)I woul... Jun 6 2004, 05:03 PM
ComradeRed Haha, it's a reference to:
"We will bury... Jun 6 2004, 05:05 PM
Yemmerz I'd go into draft, to protect the ones I love ... Jun 7 2004, 03:46 PM
ComradeRed If you get drafted, you don't have teh choice ... Jun 7 2004, 03:50 PM
Viggen Forgot one more option: Relocate to Canada. Jun 7 2004, 03:51 PM
Yemmerz you cant do that anymore. it's illegal. Jun 7 2004, 04:01 PM
ComradeRed It was always illegal...
But if you're in ano... Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM
sadolakced acid if draft everyone, i will go. it they leave out t... Jun 17 2004, 02:38 PM
juliar I'm a woman. I wouldnt be drafted.
But if I we... Jun 17 2004, 09:53 PM
CrimsonArchangel Being a girl, I really don't think I have a sa... Jun 17 2004, 10:00 PM
DavidxN lol you'd actually choose prison over the draf... Jun 18 2004, 01:08 AM
strice i refuse the draft because i want nothing to do wi... Jun 18 2004, 02:37 AM
CrimsonArchangel QUOTE(DavidxN @ Jun 18 2004, 1:08 AM)it sucks... Jun 18 2004, 08:16 AM
Yemmerz QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 17 2004, 3:38 PM)... Jun 18 2004, 08:30 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 18 2004, 8:30 AM)Of cours... Jun 18 2004, 10:16 AM
hybrid QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 18 2004, 11:16 AM)then ... Jun 18 2004, 10:33 AM
sadolakced acid why prision?
i like in the US. there is very lit... Jun 18 2004, 12:38 PM
JlIaTMK yea id definetly go to prison.... i wouldnt be abl... Jun 18 2004, 08:58 PM
bigpoppaproppy drafted for iraq? id tell the president where he ... Jul 2 2004, 02:37 AM
ComradeRed I'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow the g... Jul 2 2004, 11:36 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEI'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow ... Jul 2 2004, 11:35 PM
ComradeRed 1) During Vietnam, most soldiers were volunteers. ... Jul 3 2004, 09:44 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 10:30 PM)Bu... Jul 3 2004, 10:33 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEa) Bush isn't going to win anyway, for re... Jul 3 2004, 10:45 PM
ComradeRed Kerry supports "Mandatory National Service... Jul 3 2004, 10:47 PM
EmeraldKnight Bleh.. neither political candidate seems favorable... Jul 3 2004, 10:53 PM
ComradeRed I support John Kerry, BECAUSE the Republicans will... Jul 3 2004, 10:59 PM
EmeraldKnight Wow.. a lot of info there...
QUOTEThe COG comes i... Jul 3 2004, 11:06 PM
ComradeRed Yes.
QUOTE("The Constitution Society")T... Jul 3 2004, 11:09 PM
EmeraldKnight Wow... I'll get around to reading that.. somed... Jul 3 2004, 11:11 PM
ComradeRed Senate Report 93-549, written in 1973, said ... Jul 3 2004, 11:12 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTE"Under the powers delegated by these sta... Jul 4 2004, 01:19 AM
ComradeRed Of course it is. And since the War on Drugs and th... Jul 4 2004, 10:10 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEOf course it is. And since the War on Drugs a... Jul 4 2004, 09:28 PM
ComradeRed Yes... that's why he could invade Iraq first, ... Jul 4 2004, 11:27 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEYes... that's why he could invade Iraq fi... Jul 4 2004, 11:47 PM
ComradeRed They don't exist any more. We can see some of ... Jul 4 2004, 11:49 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThey don't exist any more. We can see som... Jul 4 2004, 11:54 PM
ComradeRed The right thing to do, in my opinion, would be to ... Jul 5 2004, 05:30 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThe right thing to do, in my opinion, would b... Jul 5 2004, 09:27 PM
aud_chua i'd rather go to prison.. at least they feed y... Aug 2 2004, 02:18 PM
ComradeRed Uh... they feed you in the army too... And yes, yo... Aug 2 2004, 02:20 PM
Dar|< I would kill for free....There is never any real c... Aug 2 2004, 02:22 PM
sadolakced acid killing innocents?
that's what you'd be... Aug 2 2004, 04:05 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEkilling innocents?
that's what you... Aug 2 2004, 04:43 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Aug 2 2004, 4:43 PM)Whe... Aug 2 2004, 05:17 PM
sadolakced acid unless that serial killer looked at you wrong. th... Aug 2 2004, 08:55 PM![]() ![]() |