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[*futura*]

I still haven't seen this. Anyone?

[lojay]

I thought the movie had a great storyline that was easy for the viewer to follow.

As for the ending...

I personally think that it isn't a dream even though the totem is still spinning. I consider each dream to be a different level. So there is the planning level (same level as on the airplane), the city level with the bridge, the level in the hotel, the level in Fishcher's mind, and then the level in Cobb/Mal's world together. Now, in the Planning level, the totem wobbles and falls (remember, when he is explaining it to Ariadne). This is the same level as when they were on the plane, as when they got off the plane, and when he went home - all the same level; if the totem fell earlier he can't be dreaming in this level. I really think it is just a cliffhanger meant to think about it and throw you off a little bit. This is the theory I'm kind of sticking with.

I also thought maybe it wasn't actually the same level because when he woke up from the dream on the plane, he wasn't equipped to the dream machine so maybe he went into another level of dream...

And I also thought about how for him to go back and find Saito must have taken a lot of dreams... Because there is the level with Cobb and Mal where Ariadne leaves, so he must have gone into 3 more dreams for Saito to be as old as he was at the end/start. Because... if the first dream is 5 minutes but feels like an hour... the 2nd feels like 10 hours, 3rd a week, 4th a month, 5th a year, 6th 10 years, 7th 100 years? (I don't entirely remember the way it worked) It seems like, if Cobb only went to his world with Mal that is only his 4th level. He needs to go into 3 more levels of dreams before he gets to a dream where Cobb has been in limbo long enough to be that old... But... Then I don't understand why he isn't old either. Clearly that theory is flawed.

[none345678]

I thought the movie had a great storyline that was easy for the viewer to follow.

As for the ending...

I personally think that it isn't a dream even though the totem is still spinning. I consider each dream to be a different level. So there is the planning level (same level as on the airplane), the city level with the bridge, the level in the hotel, the level in Fishcher's mind, and then the level in Cobb/Mal's world together. Now, in the Planning level, the totem wobbles and falls (remember, when he is explaining it to Ariadne). This is the same level as when they were on the plane, as when they got off the plane, and when he went home - all the same level; if the totem fell earlier he can't be dreaming in this level. I really think it is just a cliffhanger meant to think about it and throw you off a little bit. This is the theory I'm kind of sticking with.

I also thought maybe it wasn't actually the same level because when he woke up from the dream on the plane, he wasn't equipped to the dream machine so maybe he went into another level of dream...

And I also thought about how for him to go back and find Saito must have taken a lot of dreams... Because there is the level with Cobb and Mal where Ariadne leaves, so he must have gone into 3 more dreams for Saito to be as old as he was at the end/start. Because... if the first dream is 5 minutes but feels like an hour... the 2nd feels like 10 hours, 3rd a week, 4th a month, 5th a year, 6th 10 years, 7th 100 years? (I don't entirely remember the way it worked) It seems like, if Cobb only went to his world with Mal that is only his 4th level. He needs to go into 3 more levels of dreams before he gets to a dream where Cobb has been in limbo long enough to be that old... But... Then I don't understand why he isn't old either. Clearly that theory is flawed.

I am not sure If fallow you, but the plane and what not isn't a level, it's real life, and since he woke up after Fischer the others took all the tubes/wires off him (I would be freaked if I woke up next to a guy with a strange machine on him). The Asian dude (can't think of his name) had been in the 4th level fore a long time (dream time) He dies right after he threw the grenade so he was in the 4th level for awhile before Cobb even got done dealing with Mol, so the fact that he (the azn dude) was so old made since.

The top always seemed to work (he was constantly checking and since mol is dead I think it doesn't matter that it used to be hers since Cobb is still the only alive person who knows it's special qualities)which is why I don't think it was defective meaning he would find out pretty fast if he was dreaming.

[lojay]

I am not sure If fallow you, but the plane and what not isn't a level, it's real life, and since he woke up after Fischer the others took all the tubes/wires off him (I would be freaked if I woke up next to a guy with a strange machine on him). The Asian dude (can't think of his name) had been in the 4th level fore a long time (dream time) He dies right after he threw the grenade so he was in the 4th level for awhile before Cobb even got done dealing with Mol, so the fact that he (the azn dude) was so old made since.

The top always seemed to work (he was constantly checking and since mol is dead I think it doesn't matter that it used to be hers since Cobb is still the only alive person who knows it's special qualities)which is why I don't think it was defective meaning he would find out pretty fast if he was dreaming.

I think you followed pretty well... And yeah, that isn't really a dream level... I just counted it as a level to reduce confusion - I guess, or stress that it was the same stage as when they were planning. They were planning in reality and he went home in reality. Otherwise, what you are saying about the IV makes sense.

The Asian dude was Saito, haha. So you're saying that since he was in limbo so long in the 4th stagethat is why he was able to age so rapidly, where Cobb did not age since he wasn't in limbo in the 4th stage? I mean, I guess that works, but when you think about it the 4th stage only lasts a month in dream time... so how could he put on so many years in just a month? The only reason I can think to justify this is that maybe while in limbo you age faster? I don't even know how I could support that.

I brought this up with my skeptical friend and he brought up the fact that the totem probably doesn't work properly for Cobbs because it was originally Mal's. And given how he stressed the importance of keeping your totem to yourself (so only you know the specifics of it), his totem isn't exactly reliable.

I don't know if it being Mal's top and not his has anything to do with the ending or not. I still think that it is just a cliffhanger. Not saying that you are wrong. It makes sense, but I don't know if I actually buy it.

[Joanne]

The only reason I can think to justify this is that maybe while in limbo you age faster? I don't even know how I could support that.

They said in the film many times that, the deeper you go into the unconscious (the more level of dreams you go into), the faster time goes by. So a couple hours in real life would feel like years (maybe even decades?) in limbo.

I don't know if it being Mal's top and not his has anything to do with the ending or not. I still think that it is just a cliffhanger. Not saying that you are wrong. It makes sense, but I don't know if I actually buy it.

Yeah I like to believe that Cobbs is back in real life and that it's just a cliffhanger too. I'm just simply giving you the reasons my friend gave me.