obama on afghanistan Options

[brooklyneast05]

who watched obama's speech on the afghanistan troop increase? opinions?

[Reidar]

Karzai doesn't have widespread support in Afghanistan and empty promises to do the whole running the country thing right this time ring more hollow than ever before. His fate probably won't amount to much more over Najibullah's communist regime during the Soviet occupation. Not worth the cost and sacrifice.

The speech was okay, main issue notwithstanding. I guess it counts for something that he mentioned corruption.

A lot of people disliked Bush, because he was sending tons of troops out to what seemed to be, a pointless cause.

Actually, even a lot of people who were against either wars criticized Bush for doing a half-assed job with too few men and supplies.

Update: I'm (figuratively) laughing so hard at Michael Moore's idiocy right now.

"All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years...When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has."

I mean, if I was American then the 2008 election would have been the first one I'd have been old enough to vote for and I still wouldn't have been naïve enough to believe that. How did a grown-ass man who makes documentaries about this kind of stuff not see the same? When he talks about how disillusioning this is for young people and how their hopes and dreams and whatever have been forever shattered I just want to tell him to speak for his oblivious self.

Christopher Hitchens (who voted for Obama and still supports the Iraq war) was exactly right when he said "the left doesn't realize how much more war Obama is promising them. Between him and McCain, only Obama dared to tease the idea of violating Pakistan's sovereignty in pursuit of the insurgents."

[brooklyneast05]

I mean, if I was American then the 2008 election would have been the first one I'd have been old enough to vote for and I still wouldn't have been naïve enough to believe that. How did a grown-ass man who makes documentaries about this kind of stuff not see the same? When he talks about how disillusioning this is for young people and how their hopes and dreams and whatever have been forever shattered I just want to tell him to speak for his oblivious self.

exactly. i read moore's letter and also wondered how someone who's life revolves around this stuff thought this wouldn't be like anything he's ever seen before.

[Seon-ho-Lee]

exactly. i read moore's letter and also wondered how someone who's life revolves around this stuff thought this wouldn't be like anything he's ever seen before.

you shouldn't defend him 'cause he's a chocolate face like you, you know.