UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE., just because everyone else does it... Rating Options

[NoSex]

so, why the f*ck don't we have universal healthcare?

[pandemonium]

so what is obama's proposition?, i see this crazy shit on the new about the town hall meetings but i don't really now what he is proposing

[Uronacid]

so what is obama's proposition?, i see this crazy shit on the new about the town hall meetings but i don't really now what he is proposing

He is proposing a government run health care system. It's another 1000+ page bill that barely anyone has read, and is being forced down the throats of congress. Many people are comparing it to Canada's gov't run health care system as they are our neighbors.

[NoSex]

He is proposing a government run health care system. It's another 1000+ page bill that barely anyone has read, and is being forced down the throats of congress. Many people are comparing it to Canada's gov't run health care system as they are our neighbors.

that's a really misleading and non-descriptive presentation of the obama proposal; the plan is for a public option, designed to compete with the private industry. there is no overhaul of the system in this bill, it merely proposes a government controlled insurance option. the option in question will not even receive, after a start-up, unusual government subsidies. it is simply a public option for insurance, one of which you will purchase (if you choose to use it), much like a private plan. in fact, it will operate almost exactly like a private insurance, it will simply be more efficient (due to decreased administration), and have more affordable/accessible plans (i.e. coverage for persons will pre-existing conditions). the proposal will be paid for by a surtax applied to higher wage earning families--for example, those families making $350,000-500,000 a year will received a 1% surtax. the highest tier earners, those making a million dollars or more a year, will receive a 5.4% surtax.

[kryogenix]

in fact, it will operate almost exactly like a private insurance, it will simply be more efficient (due to decreased administration)

how can you say that with a straight face?

Just like how the post office is more efficient than UPS and FedEx right?

[NoSex]

Just like how the post office is more efficient than UPS and FedEx right?

1. in the sense that the public option will get more work done, for less money, it's more efficient; that's what efficiency is. the private industry may be able to provide services @ a marginally faster pace, but, still, @ a great price.
2. the public option will actually run more smoothly than insurance; i mean, have you ever actually dealt with a private insurance agency? for one, the public option will have normalized plans, so all the plans will cover the same procedures, without questions concerning previous conditions, age, current health, etc. etc. private industry, on the other hand, pays much money to deny care to its costumers, this results in a lot of wasted dollars and much bureaucracy. much of that bureaucracy will be eliminated in the private option.
3. you can't argue that the public option will take the private industry out of competition while @ the same time arguing that the public option will provide poor quality care; such an argument is contradictory. notice that, despite the fact that many people us the usps, private industries compete within the same exact market.
4. i've never had a serious problem with the usps. nonetheless, as goes consumer approval, government run programs like medicare and medicaid have higher ratings, in comparison to private insurance providers, considering quality of service.

[Uronacid]

that's a really misleading and non-descriptive presentation of the obama proposal; the plan is for a public option, designed to compete with the private industry. there is no overhaul of the system in this bill, it merely proposes a government controlled insurance option. the option in question will not even receive, after a start-up, unusual government subsidies. it is simply a public option for insurance, one of which you will purchase (if you choose to use it), much like a private plan. in fact, it will operate almost exactly like a private insurance, it will simply be more efficient (due to decreased administration), and have more affordable/accessible plans (i.e. coverage for persons will pre-existing conditions). the proposal will be paid for by a surtax applied to higher wage earning families--for example, those families making $350,000-500,000 a year will received a 1% surtax. the highest tier earners, those making a million dollars or more a year, will receive a 5.4% surtax.

Government options have obvious and unfair competitive advantages over privately own businesses that cause them to go out of business. More jobs will be lost than created. A government option will suffocate private insurance companies.

It's laughable to see you suggest that they're more efficient due to decreased administration. Gov't is notorious for having to much administrative staff.

I don't support taking from people who work hard for their salary and giving it to those who don't deserve it.

1. in the sense that the public option will get more work done, for less money, it's more efficient; that's what efficiency is. the private industry may be able to provide services @ a marginally faster pace, but, still, @ a great price.

LOL

The people who want universal healthcare are typically jobless deadbeats or liberal elites who won't even use the system they are advocating (kinda like the hypocrites who tout public education, and then send their kids to elite private schools).
Look who's convincing you!
If you made 65,000$ a year, a simple procedure could cut that in half without private insurance.
So what if you pay a little more insurance premiums. No one complains for the services like fire insurance and home insurance that they pay for that hardly works.
Paying a little bit in private insurance does not even compare to a $30,000 procedure you'd have to pay for.

I don't think I could have said this better myself. Haha.