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PC vs MAC, TELL ME.!
Jghelfi
post May 30 2009, 04:52 PM
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okay, i have always been wanting a mac since the first time i used the new Macbook in my 6th period at school, but i have a refurbished old 2001 PC desktop...

can somebody tell me what is good and bad between Macs and PCs..?!

i know that PCs Crash a lot
and that
Macs come with free software in the systems already..

so please somebody carify it for me!
 
 
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mipadi
post Jun 1 2009, 01:19 PM
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I always get a kick out of these "PC vs. Mac" debates, because I feel that the discussions are almost invariably flawed in a couple ways:

Choice

First of all, when approaching these discussions, Windows users generally approach them from the context that Windows is the choice, and anyone who chooses differently is deviating from the status quo and thus the responsibility is on them to justify their choice. In other words, Windows is the default, correct choice. But I've been using Macs since the early 90s, so from my perspective, switching to Windows is a choice that would have to be justified.

Quantitative Measurements

The PC vs. Mac often ends up in a discussion about technical merits (e.g., technical specifications), and all other aspects of the discussion are simply ignored. I think this usually happens because the participants in this discussion are geeky, and geeks love numbers; at any rate, it's easier to compare and contrast quantitative measurements, as opposed to qualitative attributes. So the discussion branches into two areas: capability and tech specs. Capability is a matter of generating a list -- "Can you browse the web on this computer? Can you play games? Can you use Microsoft Office?" -- and then ticking things off the list, and comparing the results -- "Oh! Your Mac can't play games! My PC is better." or "My PC can read email, too, so why should I buy a Mac?"

Then the conversation invariably turns to tech specs. "Your iMac is $1400. I can build a Dell with the same specs for $800. Why buy a Mac?"

What's Missing

Of course, such a discussion leaves out a very important aspect of computing: aesthetics. Because aesthetics is not easily quantifiable, it is generally left out of these debates, but it's every bit as important as the other areas (maybe even more important). By "aesthetics", I mean questions like "Is the UI attractive? Is the UI intuitive? How easy is it to install/uninstall applications? Does the UI expose powerful tools when necessary, but hide them away when I don't need or want them? How easy is it to change my (network settings, desktop settings, etc.)? Is it easy for the common developer to design attractive interfaces for their applications?" Or even more trivial aspects: "Is the form factor an ugly piece of molded plastic, or a gently-sculpted piece of aluminum?" (And if you argue that PC users don't care about that "nonsense", why do PC builders sometimes spend hundreds of dollars on a "pretty" case?)

So what the argument really boils down to is taste and priorities. What's important to you: price/performance ratio? whether the UI is pixel-perfect? ease of use? expandability? There's really no right answer here, but those questions are the basic fundamentals of the discussion -- even though everyone always focuses on capabilities and specifications.
 

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Jonathan-Andrew   PC vs MAC   May 30 2009, 04:52 PM
illriginal   MAC is too much money. And they still can't af...   May 30 2009, 04:55 PM
turkishdog   QUOTE(illriginal @ May 30 2009, 02:55 PM)...   May 31 2009, 11:34 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(turkishdog @ May 31 2009, 11:34 PM)...   May 31 2009, 11:53 PM
rnicron   QUOTE(illriginal @ May 30 2009, 04:55 PM)...   Jun 8 2009, 04:05 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(rnicron @ Jun 8 2009, 04:05 PM) um,...   Jun 8 2009, 10:48 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(rnicron @ Jun 8 2009, 05:05 PM) um,...   Jun 9 2009, 06:11 AM
jcp   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 9 2009, 06:11 AM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:53 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(jcp @ Jun 11 2009, 02:53 PM) Anothe...   Jun 11 2009, 04:06 PM
kryogenix   I think it's a matter of personal preference. ...   May 30 2009, 04:59 PM
DressYourEyelids   a mac does not support any computer software/progr...   May 30 2009, 04:59 PM
Just_Dream   QUOTE(DressYourEyelids @ May 30 2009, 02...   May 30 2009, 07:47 PM
kryogenix   I haven't had an issue running any programs fo...   May 30 2009, 05:04 PM
jcp   I think it's very important not to become a fa...   May 30 2009, 05:28 PM
illriginal   I would love to build my own Mac too... but you ca...   May 30 2009, 05:32 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(DressYourEyelids @ May 30 2009, 04...   May 30 2009, 07:39 PM
jcp   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ May 30 2009, 07:39...   May 30 2009, 08:47 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(jcp @ May 30 2009, 09:47 PM) Exactl...   May 30 2009, 10:19 PM
Deospeon   I go for PC. Easy to build! Easy to Customize...   May 30 2009, 10:27 PM
Buttsex   Personally, if I want UNIX, I'll go Solaris. ...   May 30 2009, 10:28 PM
jcp   QUOTE(Buttsex @ May 30 2009, 10:28 PM) Pe...   May 30 2009, 11:35 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(jcp @ May 30 2009, 11:35 PM) O so y...   May 31 2009, 01:26 AM
jcp   Who uses a trackpad anyway?   Jun 1 2009, 12:23 AM
Buttsex   QUOTE(jcp @ Jun 1 2009, 12:23 AM) Who use...   Jun 1 2009, 01:09 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 02:09 AM) Nea...   Jun 1 2009, 08:29 AM
kryogenix   butlollenovo   Jun 1 2009, 08:38 AM
Uronacid   I have to say that the only reason I don't own...   Jun 1 2009, 11:14 AM
kryogenix   I prefer using my macbook over other laptops for e...   Jun 1 2009, 11:20 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 1 2009, 12:20 PM) I...   Jun 1 2009, 11:22 AM
kryogenix   They're light and have a kickass battery, perf...   Jun 1 2009, 12:15 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 1 2009, 01:15 PM) T...   Jun 1 2009, 12:23 PM
kryogenix   Not in my experience. All that shit says it'l...   Jun 1 2009, 12:27 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 1 2009, 01:27 PM) N...   Jun 1 2009, 01:00 PM
kaijubot   Idk, I've had PCs up until 6 months ago when I...   Jun 1 2009, 01:31 PM
brooklyneast05   i agree with steven. my macbook is lighter and has...   Jun 1 2009, 01:11 PM
Buttsex   My old Gateway laptop, which had a Core 2 Duo over...   Jun 1 2009, 01:19 PM
mipadi   I always get a kick out of these "PC vs. Mac...   Jun 1 2009, 01:19 PM
Buttsex   http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm It's Li...   Jun 1 2009, 01:30 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 02:30 PM) htt...   Jun 1 2009, 04:10 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 1 2009, 04:10 PM) ...   Jun 1 2009, 05:04 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 06:04 PM) The...   Jun 1 2009, 05:09 PM
Buttsex   Because I live in an obscure tourist city, where e...   Jun 1 2009, 01:38 PM
kaijubot   did i say it applied to everyone? i thought i was...   Jun 1 2009, 02:00 PM
Buttsex   I wasn't talking to you. Everyone makes the c...   Jun 1 2009, 02:05 PM
kaijubot   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 03:05 PM) I w...   Jun 1 2009, 02:33 PM
kryogenix   sucks for you   Jun 1 2009, 02:07 PM
Buttsex   It was a counter-argument to everyone making the s...   Jun 1 2009, 02:49 PM
Uronacid   To be honest I have had nothing but good customer ...   Jun 1 2009, 02:57 PM
brooklyneast05   maybe it's just me but i never really thought ...   Jun 1 2009, 05:11 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jun 1 2009, 06:11 ...   Jun 1 2009, 05:28 PM
Buttsex   So? I'm comparing to other *nix operating sys...   Jun 1 2009, 05:11 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 06:11 PM) So?...   Jun 1 2009, 05:16 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 1 2009, 05:16 PM) Is t...   Jun 1 2009, 05:28 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 06:28 PM) You...   Jun 1 2009, 05:58 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 1 2009, 05:09 PM) Don...   Jun 1 2009, 07:58 PM
brooklyneast05   pretty sure it's in response to yours cause we...   Jun 1 2009, 05:21 PM
brooklyneast05   ^i agree with michael. and wtf at that internet bi...   Jun 1 2009, 06:06 PM
Buttsex   The main reason I got a fast internet connection i...   Jun 1 2009, 06:41 PM
Just_Dream   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 04:41 PM) For...   Jun 1 2009, 09:19 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(Just_Dream @ Jun 1 2009, 09:19 PM) ...   Jun 1 2009, 10:07 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Buttsex @ Jun 1 2009, 07:41 PM) I j...   Jun 2 2009, 06:40 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 07:40 AM) No, ...   Jun 2 2009, 08:19 AM
illriginal   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jun 2 2009, 09:19 AM) I ...   Jun 2 2009, 10:04 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 2 2009, 11:04 AM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 10:20 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 11:20 AM) Meh....   Jun 2 2009, 10:29 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jun 2 2009, 11:29 AM) I ...   Jun 2 2009, 10:40 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 11:40 AM) I do...   Jun 2 2009, 10:45 AM
jcp   The thing is, mac is the best of both worlds. You ...   Jun 1 2009, 07:03 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(jcp @ Jun 1 2009, 08:03 PM) O and o...   Jun 1 2009, 07:36 PM
Buttsex   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 1 2009, 07:36 PM) ...   Jun 1 2009, 08:01 PM
boricua387   You should get the mac!! its so worth the ...   Jun 1 2009, 08:21 PM
jcp   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7eU_CUIerQ ...   Jun 1 2009, 09:09 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(jcp @ Jun 1 2009, 10:09 PM) http://...   Jun 1 2009, 09:36 PM
reupONtrees   mothaf*ckas, its called aesthetics, and yes thats ...   Jun 1 2009, 09:26 PM
Just_Dream   ^ Do you think Adobe Photoshop is ridiculously exp...   Jun 2 2009, 02:37 AM
Buttsex   QUOTE(Just_Dream @ Jun 2 2009, 02:37 AM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 03:27 AM
kryogenix   Apple doesn't use cd keys though, making it ea...   Jun 2 2009, 10:21 AM
illriginal   What more are you buying than just specs?... Mac h...   Jun 2 2009, 10:47 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 2 2009, 11:47 AM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 11:08 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 11:40 AM) I do...   Jun 2 2009, 10:59 AM
illriginal   Other than multimedia software and a good window m...   Jun 2 2009, 11:16 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 2 2009, 12:16 PM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 11:33 AM
illriginal   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 12:33 PM) What...   Jun 2 2009, 11:47 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 2 2009, 12:47 PM) ...   Jun 2 2009, 11:59 AM
illriginal   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 2 2009, 12:59 PM) How ...   Jun 2 2009, 12:14 PM
liquidice   neither. as soon i as i get a laptop i'm upgra...   Jun 2 2009, 11:19 AM
Uronacid   I can't believe you called him a Mac snob... ...   Jun 2 2009, 12:46 PM
Jonathan-Andrew   I dont use my computer for gaming.. i just use it ...   Jun 6 2009, 11:10 PM
jcp   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 2 2009, 11:16 AM) ...   Jun 7 2009, 12:31 AM
Just_Dream   QUOTE(jcp @ Jun 6 2009, 10:31 PM) Also, f...   Jun 7 2009, 02:53 AM
illriginal   Linux doesn't have problems with printers.. wt...   Jun 7 2009, 01:14 AM
jcp   whatevs, but im just saying that mac has software ...   Jun 7 2009, 02:00 AM
Jonathan-Andrew   ^well price is the key to satisfaction and sales.....   Jun 8 2009, 09:53 PM
dandreblac   Is a mac a laptop?? I don't know   Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(dandreblac @ Jun 10 2009, 11:55 PM)...   Jun 10 2009, 11:00 PM
dandreblac   QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 11 2009, 12:00 AM)...   Jun 12 2009, 09:12 PM
rnicron   actually mac (macintosh) is a line of computers, n...   Jun 11 2009, 02:49 PM
illriginal   QUOTE(rnicron @ Jun 11 2009, 03:49 PM) ac...   Jun 11 2009, 04:18 PM
elletricity   I got my Macbook for free, so I can't say much...   Jun 12 2009, 03:16 PM
Jonathan-Andrew   well i have a casual and productive lifestyle.. so...   Jun 12 2009, 08:37 PM
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